Tuesday, February 19, 2019

Was The Law First Given To Moses Or To Adam In The Garden Of Eden?

Most everyone believes that God gave the Law to Moses, at Mt. Sinai. However, this is not true. The Mt. Sinai incident was a reissuing of the Law, that was given in the Garden of Eden, to Adam and Eve. Is the Law plainly spelled out in the Book of Genesis, as it is in the rest of the Torah? No, but sometimes we need to open our eyes to what is happening and see what is implied. Over the next few posts, we will look at the Law and how it originally was intended.

First Mitzvah

Take Care Of The Earth

The First Mitzvah or Commandment, given to Adam, was to tend the garden. Genesis 2:15

"Yahweh, Elohim, took and placed Adam in an enclosed garden, Eden, to work to watch over."

Extraneously, this includes the commandment to man, to take care of the rest of the world. Even though mankind has done a poor to mediocre job at doing this, unknowingly, man has tended to God's creation, since the Garden.

Second and Third Mitzvah's

Remain Innocent / Perceive Disobedience and You Will Die

In Genesis 2:17, God tells Adam, to remain innocent. Don't even think about disobeying the simplest of commandments. Here, the Word for Word translation spells out an interesting tidbit, most don't get to see, in most English versions.

"Good/Evil Perception Tree, consume not. The day consumed, die, die."

What a lot of people don't know, that, in the beginning, Adam was given eternal life, for his soul and body. Man lost that due to his disobedience. Now, notice, that in the Hebrew, it says, Muth, Muth, translated here as Die, Die. Two deaths. This is an indication that Adam's body will begin to die, but his soul will die, also.

How does your soul, the eternal part of you, die? The way the Hebrew and Greek reads, in the Bible, absence from the presence of God will result in a slow deterioration of your eternal existence. That's what happens in sheol. But due to sheol being out of degradation of time/space, you will feel the effects of your soul dying, but it never will die, in the same way as your body does.

So, basically, Adam was told to remain innocent and enjoy the Garden of Eden, which means Pleasure, or his body will eventually die and his soul will feel the effects of sheol. Also notice, as you read Genesis, the further man got away from the time of Eden, his lifespans began to decrease. That's because of Adam and Eve's disobedience, by perceiving the difference between Good and Evil, they were not allowed access to the Tree of Life, the presence of God.

How do we get out of this predicament? Well, in the same way, death entered through one Adam, another type of Adam, our Messiah will bring us back to the Tree of Life. It's a free gift of Salvation. All we have to believe that God will redeem us, through the Messiah's sacrifice for our disobedience. Therefore, In the end, our Messiah will have fulfilled the first three Mitzvah for us and bring the earth back to it's original purpose, a place for us to dwell, maintain and commune with God, the purpose of the original Law.

22 comments:

  1. Hi Keith, been busy having things done to the house.
    As the scriptures are discerned spiritually I have always seen the story of the garden of Eden speaking to mankind of eating from the tree of life (Jesus the Word of God) instead of the tree of knowledge of good and evil (earthly knowledge). There is so much to talk about here that it would have to take a long session of interacting and discussion.

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  2. Hi Keith,
    Wow, my friend, that post could sink Titanic all over again.

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  3. Brenda, Yep, busy all the time. Story of my life. :-) LOL

    To get the conversation started, in your comment about earthly knowledge, why would you think that partaking of earthly knowledge would result in death?

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  4. Paul, Please, be more specific. Are you saying that the Law was not given in the Garden?

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  5. No, I did not say that Keith.
    What I’m saying is that the Law was given first to Adam, so that Adam and Eve would have the knowledge of sin. Without the Law, NOBODY would have any knowledge of sin of good and evil.
    So therefore the Law was NOT an after sought, but was the intention of God ‘Jesus Christ’ to destroy Adam and Eve, so the they would know sin. And in Adam ALL have died, to this very day.

    Yes Keith, Jesus Christ wanted Adam to have the knowledge of sin of good and evil, and all of us too.

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  6. Paul, the Torah teaches us that the Law and subsequently the fulfillment of the Law, through the Messiah Y'shua/Jesus draws us to become Echad/One with God. As it was in the beginning, as it is now and forever will be. The reliance on the Law showed us that to become Echad with God, we must be perfect through the Law. This also showed us that we need God to show us the way. It is by Y'shua/Jesus, we can complete that journey to become Echad/One with God. Thanks for continuing to fellowship with us, even though you do not agree.

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  7. Well Keith, you ought NOT to read the Torah, you need to read the Bible.
    The Bible is the Word of God and NOT the Torah.
    How long is it going to take till you believe in the Bible ?

    As I have said to you before, you need to stop with that Jewish rubbish.
    And then you need to learn to speak English, yes English Keith, so that normal people can understand you.
    The Bible said that you need to preach the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ and NOT language lessons.

    And what do you mean, by becoming One with God ?
    Do you mean, becoming God, Deity ?
    Or do you mean, becoming One in union with God ?
    And with which God do you becoming One with ?
    Or WHAT do you mean when you make a statement like that ?

    You said, “The reliance on the Law showed us that to become Echad with God, we must be perfect through the Law.”

    Are you serious Keith ?
    Well, I don’t think you are.

    Apart from the Lord Jesus Christ, NOT one human is able to keep the whole Law, all are transgressors of the Law of God.
    The Law was NOT designed for you to keep it, the Law was designed to accuse you a transgressor of the Law and guilty of DEATH.

    And for that reason you supposed to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and NOT in that false god called Yahweh, or Jehovah.

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  8. Hi Keith,
    to 'eat' is to 'consume', so I would think that eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil would cause 'evil' to be within a person. As I believe that Jesus is the tree of life, the fruit of which would give eternal life, then because Adam and Eve allowed the serpent to cause them to eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, then they were denied eternal life. Once we are born again of God's Spirit, then we have access to the Tree of Life and can become one with God through being part of the body of His Son Jesus and having access to the fruits of the Spirit.

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  9. Hi Brenda, so you are thinking that knowing the difference between good and evil is earthly knowledge and evil? Not agreeing or disagreeing yet. Just trying to wrap my mind around your thoughts.

    I do agree that the Word of God, which is Y'shua, gains us access to the Tree of Life, but whether or not he is the Tree of Life, as for me, is up in the air. Could you elaborate a little more? How do you perceive Y'shua as the Tree of Life rather than the access or gate keeper to the Tree of Life?

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  10. Paul, my friend, I say this with the most gentleness of heart that I can muster. You do know that the Torah is the first 5 books of the Bible, correct? Torah is not rubbish. As a matter of fact, Y'shua said that he did come to destroy the Torah, or the prophets. No, he did not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For until heaven and earth pass, not one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Torah, till all be fulfilled.

    As for your "Jewish Rubbish" comment, I have told you before that you'll never truly understand God's Word, until you get back to your Jewish Roots. You will never get past the milk, which is sour by now, that you are drinking. It's time to move up to the meat, my friend. I know you have aspirations of being a true ambassador, but you are falling severely short of that calling. Again, I am correcting you because Y'shua says you need correcting, like a child who has a wide imagination, when it's time to settle down and get serious. It's time for you to get serious, my friend, about your ambassadorship.

    As for the Law, it is perfect. True, we are unable to perfectly follow it, but the Torah is still God's outline for man to follow. Follow to what? Follow to the door to true salvation by way of Grace and Faith. That door is Y'shua. My friend, the Torah is Y'shua. It's time that you understand that. You cannot discard the Torah or the rest of the Tanakh, based on your ignorance and Jewish prejudice.

    To fully understand what Y'shua did for you on the cross, you must understand the Torah and the Prophets, in the same way Y'shua taught the two men on the road to Emmaus. You have very much to learn, my friend to be an true ambassador.

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  11. Keith,

    Jesus only read the King James Bible. Didn't you know that? Now stay on topic. Yes. The first "law" was given to Adam. Adam chose not to listen to it. Then the opening of our eyes happened and sin entered the world.

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  12. Hi Keith,
    I believe that Y'shua is likened to the Tree of Life because it says in Genesis ch. 3 v.22 that by eating from the Tree of Life access to eternal life is gained, ;as in living forever:-
    'Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—'

    The only way we can live forever is becoming a child of God through Y'shua.

    I think maybe instead of 'earthly ways' I should have said 'having the choice to go our own way, whether it be good or evil, instead of God's way'.

    I think I have explained how I read these scriptures Keith, but if you have any questions just ask me, I love discussions.

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  13. Just to add, Keith, I believe the 'eating' bit is like acting on the Word spoken to us.

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  14. Hey Tim, LOL. I forgot. I agree with your comment. I think it's important to recognize that the knowledge of Good and Evil isn't necessarily the sin, but the simple disobedience to seek it out. Your thoughts?

    As a side note, there are some people that frequent this blog, up to 900+ a month, that have been emailing me with certain questions and comments. This particular post was in direct response to one that wanted to know what my reasoning was behind me stating that the Law was not originally given to Moses, but to Adam and it's connection to the Gospel.

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  15. Brenda, Good conversation. As for earthly knowledge, I get what you are talking about. Sometimes I'm a little thick. Also, there have been times that I go off into right field, when the person is in left field. :-)

    Like I just discussed with Tim, I think it's important to recognize that the knowledge of Good and Evil isn't necessarily the sin, but the simple disobedience to seek it out, especially right after God gave a simple direct command not to.

    As for consuming, I agree totally. When we partake of the Word of God or the Fruit of the Tree of Good and Evil, we make it part of ourselves and it changes us. In the garden, I think that is what happened. Instead of a straightforward knowledge of Good and Evil, it created an innate desire to seek out the possibilities of the difference of Good and Evil and the avenues from which it flows. From there, it is a slippery slope.

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  16. That is right Keith, once we know what is 'good' and what is 'evil', then the choice is ours. By the way, I too am a little thick sometimes:-)

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  17. Keith and Brenda, by your OWN confession, your a little bit thick, but that is not your problem.
    Your problem is that you are DECEIVED, yes, quiet deceived, and you don’t want to repent from your sin of having another god next to the true God Jesus Christ.
    Remember the first and second commandment of the LAW ?
    The same LAW which Eve transgressed and introduced dead to all mankind.

    As I was blog-surfing, I came across a comment which I would like to share with you.

    “The jews in all their beliefs about God will be in hell save those who have God revealed to them. "Not all Israel are Israel"

    If you see the bible through Hebrew eyes you will be damned just as they are.

    You must have Christ revealed from Heaven to you and those who have this happen with new eyes proclaim to Jesus Christ and none other.”

    Amen and amen to that comment.

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  18. Paul, do me a favor and please keep your comments to and about the present post and do not venture off into your diatribes about the Jews and anyone that doesn't not agree with your doctrine. From this point on, I will only respond to post related comments. Let's keep the other stuff on your blog. Bottom line, we have an average of a 1000 people hit this blog and via email, they have said that they would comment, but they were afraid to be verbal accosted by you. Thank You for your assistance in this. I look forward to a more cordial conversation. God Bless.

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  19. Amen to that Keith. Simple disobedience. One law was given. One law was broken. Isn't that pathetic though? He had one law and couldn't do it.

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  20. Well my friend, it would do you a lot of good to hear the TRUTH, rather than talking about the law where you have no idea about.
    Remember, talking about the law puts a veil over YOUR heart (2 Cor. 3:15), but whoever turns to the Lord Jesus Christ, that veil has been removed.

    It would be better for you and for everyone to get to know the TRUTH, instead of speculating about the Law, which profits you NOTHING.

    Of course, I will not comment about some foolish speculations.

    (James 2:10) He who keeps the whole law, yet transgresses on one law is guilty of all others.
    (Galatians 3:10) “For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; “
    Romans 3:20 Though the LAW comes the knowledge of sin.

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  21. Paul, it's important to learn of the Law, which is perfect, because it came from God. The Law still allows us to see the need for our savior. We are not to follow the Law for salvation, but to pursue obedience. Sure, there are many parts of the Law, which were fulfilled by the sacrifice of Y'shua, including it's justice/penalty. However, Y'shua said not one jot nor one tittle shall pass from the Law until all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth will pass before the Law is completely fulfilled. The passages that you quoted above are for those who rely on the Law for salvation. Satan doesn't want us to know about the Law, because it reveals his lawlessness and shines a light on God's righteousness. Think about it, Paul, what did Y'shua do on the road to Emmaus? He taught the Gospel from the Law and the Prophets.

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  22. Tim, I agree. One law and he blew it. Sad and now we're in this predicament.

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