Let me stop and say that there are plenty of Biblical passages that testify of God's continuing faithfulness and how he give believers rest. However, here in the 23rd Psalm, we find that it is actually a faithful plea from David, to Yahweh, for Peace, Strength and Assuredness in his personal and public life.
Even though David was known to be a man after God's heart, things didn't come automatically. He always looked for God's approval. In this same manner, Jews and Christians must always be in God's Word and in Prayer, to ensure that they are walking in God's Will and Shadow.
The following is a Word for Word translation of the 23rd Psalm. Please compare it with your translation. Notice how most translators add thoughts to the scriptures. I'm not saying that your translation is a piece of fiction. I only implore you to get back to the original Hebrew, Greek and Sumarian, in order to get back to God's original message, so you can filter out the man made messages in the Synagogues and Church's today.
Psalm 23
A Song of David
Yahweh, a Shepherd/Friend that I sorrowfully desire.
My Restful Compassionate
Dwelling,
Sustain
me to comfortably rest upon your Word,
Break me down and Rebuild my Spirit and my Soul.
Lead the way to the righteousness of your Name.
Walk me through the
Valley of the Shadow of Death , Fear
and Evil.
Your Scepter and Support Consoles and Comforts me.
Prepare my Table to Face my Enemy,
Anoint my Head with Oil and Make my Cup Run Over.
Allow your Mercy
To follow me the Days of my Life
and My Dwelling to be within
the House of Yahweh
for All Time.
Well my friend, you don’t need to revisit the original Hebrew, you just need to read the Bible, for the Bible is the Word of God and not the original Hebrew.
ReplyDeletePsalm 23 (NASB)
A Psalm of David.
The Lord (Jesus Christ) is my shepherd, I shall not want.
He makes me lie down in green pastures;
He leads beside quiet waters.
He restores my soul;
He guides me in the path of righteousness for His NAME’s sake. (that is the Name of Jesus)
Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil, for You are with me;
Your road and Your staff, they comfort me.
You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies;
You have anointed my head with oil;
My cup overflows.
Surely goodness and lovingkindness will follow me all the days of my life, And I will dwell in the house of the Lord (Jesus Christ) forever.
That said it all !
Just read it again.
There is NO ‘faithful plea from David, to Yahweh, for Peace, Strength and Assuredness in his personal and public life’ of David in the whole Psalm.
No, nothing at all !
Look my friend, you should NOT read those perversions in Hebrew, they profit you NOTHING.
Just simply believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and He will lead you into ALL the truth :-)
As I said on your blog, my friend, you are still reading man’s word instead of God’s Word. Why do you continue to side with man, rather than God’s?
ReplyDeleteMan’s word ?
ReplyDeleteNo Keith, I have quoted you the Word of God, the Holy Bible, word for word, which is for you and everyone to read and know the Majesty of our wonderful GREAT God Jesus Christ our only Lord and God, to Him alone be honour, glory and power :-)
That is a bit different than your man made Hebrew, Greek perversion of which you ever be reading and never come to the knowledge of God.
Well my friend try to read the Holy Bible, which has authority over your constant fluctuating Hebrew, Greek words, which never means what they says.
Just a thought :-)
Also, I only side with the TRUE God Jesus Christ (1 John 5:20), and NOT with that false god Yahweh.
ReplyDeleteYou see, that false god Yahweh has deceived you and lead you astray to read man-made teachings of an unknowable Greek god, perhaps the same unknowable god as the Hebrews have.
Look my friend, that unknowable god which you are preaching, I have made known to you, that this God is the Lord Jesus Christ and He appeared to me nearly two thousand years after His resurrection.
I do not lie, and my testimony is true.
Hi Keith,
ReplyDeletethank you for sharing the original scriptures once again. It shows a much deeper meaning of this beautiful Psalm, and is word for Word the most important prayer in my life.
God bless you and yours Keith, and keep on sharing the truth.
Thanks, Brenda! It does give us a deeper insight into David’s thought process and relationship with God. I long to have that kind of relationship with God.
ReplyDeletePaul, two quick questions for you. Why do you feel the need to defend the adding of words that are not there? Im sure you have access to a Strong’s concordance. Why don’t you look it up for yourself?
ReplyDeleteYes Keith, I do have a Strong's concordance, but, as I have said many times before, the Bible is the Word of God and NOT the Strong’s concordance.
ReplyDeleteThe Strong’s concordance is a man-made book and untrustworthy.
This is the reason why you have been lead astray, away from the Lord Jesus Christ to another god, to your false god whom you call Yahweh.
As to the “the adding of words that are not there?”.
I do NOT adding any words to the Psalm 23, I have quoted word for word, appart from God’s Name in brackets.
David or any other Old Testament Saints did not know the Name of God, they only called Him Lord, because the Name of the Lord had NOT been given during the Old Testament period.
But I know His one and only Name of the Lord and that is “JESUS” who is the Christ, and any other name is the devil.
For this reason the Lord Jesus Christ has granted me to put His Name into the Old Testament quotation just as I please.
Disregarding your unsubstantiated and unsupported claim that Jesus is the God of the Old Testament, your version puts words that are clearly not there. It also alludes to things that God doesn’t do. For instance, God doesn’t give us what we want, only what we need. He only gives us what we want, as long as it is within his will. Again, why do you support adding words to the Bible. Don’t you think that God’s Word is good enough?
ReplyDeleteOh no my friend, God’s Word, the Bible will never be good enough for you.
ReplyDeleteJust the same as the living Word the Lord Jesus Christ is never good enough for you.
You always will place the devil above the Lord Jesus Christ in everything you say.
That is what deception is all about my friend.
And, it takes a GOOD friend to tell you the truth plainly and simply, without envy or malice.
Well, if Jesus is the God of the New Testament, then He has to be (by necessity) also the God of the Old Testament, otherwise you end up with TWO God’s or gods.
That is the great dilemma of modern day Christianity. They think that the New Testament God is Jesus Christ and the Old Testament God is the Father called Jehovah, or perhaps like you who call him Yahweh.
And because of that deception factor, those Christians cooked up the doctrine of the trinity, which makes them ‘antichrist’.
You said, “For instance, God doesn’t give us what we want, only what we need. He only gives us what we want, as long as it is within his will.”
How do you know what God will do and what He will not do ?
Can’t He change His Mind ?
Well, I can prove you wrong my friend.
My Father the Lord Jesus Christ is NOT limited to rules and regulations, what He can do and what He can not do.
Remember, He can do just as He pleases.
God only does what he first has revealed to the prophets. As for your other comments, you are wrong as usual.
ReplyDeleteWhat I love about scripture is that when the spiritual enemy tries to take away from the Word, the Word is verified by another scripture - as in what David said in Psalm 110 v. 1:-.
ReplyDelete'The LORD says to my lord: 'Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.'
No metaphor, the LORD GOD YHWH saying to the One (His Son Jesus) Whom He has made our Lord,(that is why David calls Him 'my Lord') that He will put His enemies beneath His feet.
God does what He has revealed in His Word the Bible, and also what He has revealed to me personally.
ReplyDeleteEvery man of God ought to be taught by God (John 6:45), and if he is taught by God, then he speaks the things of God, and the sheep of the Lord Jesus Christ will listen to him, and everyone who has heard and learned from my Father will come to Jesus Christ.
And don’t say, “you are wrong as usual”, without telling me what was is wrong from the Bible.
No Brenda, that is NOT true.
ReplyDeleteJesus said, “The Lord said to my Lord”.
He did NOT say, “The Lord said to my lord’.
There is a big difference in those statements.
The Lord God does NOT address a little lord, like ‘lord Fauntleroy’.
The Lord is a jealous Lord and He would NEVER address another one as lord.
Read your Bible Paul.
ReplyDeleteExactly my response, Brenda. Paul, we have revealed to you, the Word of God, but you deny it, substituting your own godliness, but denying the power of God. I will no longer argue. God’s Spirit is calling you.
ReplyDeleteAs for Psalm 110, Brenda is 100% correct. Check it out, Paul. It says, “Yahweh said to my Adonai”, otherwise, Yahweh said unto my lord.
That’s the reason why you can’t accept the truth behind Psalm 23, you add words to the scriptures. The scriptures only say that the Lord only does what he first reveals to his prophets. You need to read Amos 3:7, without adding words to it.
Brenda, you must think that you are the only one who can read the Bible, don’t you ?
ReplyDeleteWell, I correct you in that.
OK, I will say it again, in the Bible, Jesus said, “The Lord said to my Lord, sit at my right …… .”
Jesus did NOT say, “The Lord said to my lord, sit a my right …. .”
Look Brenda, we both know that you are trying to demote the Lord Jesus Christ to a mere man, in making out that one Lord, the BIG LORD is speaking to a little lord, and so to promote the little lord to be equal with the BIG LORD.
But you are mistaken Brenda, NOT understanding the Scriptures, nor do you know the Lord.
Remember, Lord means God !
Nothing else, but God ! No, it doesn't mean anointed one.
LORD means GOD ! and only the Lord is called Lord in the Scriptures ! no one else !
And it is Jesus who is called Lord and noone else.
Satan is also called “god” with a little “g”, and therefore he is referred to as lord, with a little “l”. Satan the god of this world.
Keith, where exactly did you reveal the Word of God to me ?
ReplyDeleteOK, WHERE ?
Do you mean Psalm 23 ?
Well, Psalm 23, I have corrected you in that and wrote it word for word from the Bible, but, obviously you don’t like me quoting the Bible at all. You rather quote from the Hebrew book of Alibaba and the forty thieves :-)
No my friend, you did NOT reveal anything to me apart from a deception.
Psalm 110 does NOT say 'Yahweh said to my Adonai'.
Why can't you read the Bible Keith ?
Paul, it is so obvious that David is speaking about two separate Lords, the Bible spells one as LORD, and the other as Lord. Read your Bible . Carry on talking your nonsense - you can never win when you try to argue with scripture. As for Alibaba and the forty thieves, I think they are in your closet Paul.
ReplyDeleteNo Brenda, it is so obvious that you don’t understand the Scriptures at all.
ReplyDelete“Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and ONE Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are things, and we exist through Him.”
OK, NOT TWO separate Lords, BUT ONE Lord !
I wonder why you can’t understand that.
What do you think the word 'and' means in 'and One Lord, Jesus Christ' Paul.
ReplyDeletePaul, I won’t, but I can copy most of our correspondence and comments over the past years to show you how you have added to God’s Word. God’s Word has shown you the error of your ways, but you make a conscious decision to read man’s word over God’s word. Many times we have givien you examples of where you mistranslated and add things to God‘s Word. Again I will show you but I will not argue with you.
ReplyDeleteAlso, you are correct that LORD means Yahweh, but, as we have shown you many times, Lord can mean different people, in many rolls, such as master, Lord of the Manor, etc. again, I find it hard to believe that a man of God, such as what you proclaim yourself to be, I would choose man’s word over God’s Word.
Brenda, the word ‘and’ means just that “AND ONE Lord”.
ReplyDeleteNo Brenda, it doesn’t mean ‘AND a SECOND Lord’ as you suppose.
Read more over on my blog.
Keith, 'Lord' does not and cannot mean different people.
ReplyDeleteOtherwise we would have a great confusion.
The word “Lord” is only and first used in the Bible and is reserved for Deity, “Lord” God the Almighty.
Because Satan also likes to be called ‘lord’, but because there is only ONE Lord, therefore the other lord was written with a little “l” lord.
Something the ignorant mob are still confused about.
Paul, this would be fun, if it weren’t so sad, to show you how wrong you are again. Who is/are the Lord or Lord’s, in the following verses?
ReplyDeleteGenesis 19:18
Genesis 23:6
Genesis 23:11
Genesis 23:15
Genesis 24:18
Genesis 27:29
Genesis 27:37
Genesis 31:35
Genesis 32:4-5, 8, 13-15
Genesis 39:16
Genesis 40:1, 7
Genesis 42:10, 30, 33
I could go on and I’m not even out of Genesis yet.
Once again, it shows that you do not even have a rudimentary grasp of God’s Word, little alone, someone who supposedly speaks to Jesus all the time.
One Father AND One Lord means 'two' Paul,
ReplyDelete“Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and ONE Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are things, and we exist through Him.”
We exist 'through' Jesus because He is the One mediator between God and man.
Paul, I think the reason you keep repeating the false doctrine that you do is because no one else interacts with you on your blog, and you are heavily indoctrinated by that doctrine.
In future I will only answer something you say that I can not remember you saying before, or a scripture you may not have been shown before. God made Jesus our Lord, the first of many brethren, and Jesus had to learn 'obedience' through the things He suffered.
Who do you think He had to learn obedience to Paul?
Keith,
ReplyDeleteI do not think that Paul is a man of God, I think he is a man of tradition. I also do not find it sad any more, because I believe he chooses to believe man's word over God's Word knowing what God's Word actually says.
Scripture tells us that the Word of God can not go out and return to Him void. So he knows what it means but chooses not to follow it. We have free will.
Brenda, that’s why I said “supposedly“. It is not my belief that Paul is a man of God, but it is his belief. My hope is that Paul will one day open up to the Spirit of God and open his eyes to see true Word of God
ReplyDeleteI don’t want to sound mean but what makes your translation different then the Bible that I have in my hand?
ReplyDeleteHi anonymous, the difference is that this translation is word for word. If you look at the original Hebrew transcript, you will not find most of the added words that you find in most English translation.
ReplyDeleteYes my friend, JESUS is always called Lord, from Genesis to Revelation.
ReplyDeleteAnd He is the creator of heaven and earth and everything in it.
And Yahweh is nowhere mentioned in the Bible.
Look my friend, he is just not in the Bible.
The Jehovah Witnesses would argue that his name is Jehovah and not Yahweh.
They, just like you hate that Jesus is called Lord and God, they would like to call Jesus lord with a little ‘l’, and call a man ‘Lord’ with the capital ‘L’.
“One Father AND One Lord means ‘two’ Paul.”
ReplyDeleteDo you really think that I am stupid Brenda ?
One Father and one creator means two ? two what ? two potatoes ?
Well, I think we both know what you mean Brenda, you mean TWO GOD’s, don’t you ?
Yes that is exactly what you really mean, two gods, just as you have said that before.
But I will correct you, the Lord our God is ONE !
If God is ONE, then why are you always saying that He is TWO ?
And God did NOT make Jesus your Lord, otherwise you would confess Jesus as your Lord and God.
The Lord our God is ONE !
And the Lord our God is the Lord Jesus Christ and NOT Yahweh, and neither is the Lord Jesus Christ a sinner so that He had to learn obedience.
We both know why you are constantly stripping the Lord Jesus Christ of His glory and assign Him a place among sinners.
Brenda, very soon you will meet my God the Lord Jesus Christ, then you can answer Him.
And remember, there will be NO Yahweh there.
So, Paul, you are saying that in all the Genesis references that I stated in my previous comment refers to Jesus?
ReplyDeleteDoesn’t your and all versions say the same thing? It looks like to me that you just changed the words around.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, I lsee the word for word version, in my post, as a personal plea from David, instead of the traditional statements of God’s provision. Also, the original versions gives you the allusion that God will provide all our eants and desires. The word for word version is a personal plea for God‘s Will to be done in our lives. With all that said, I firmly believe that the Spirit of God leads us and give us personal messages.
ReplyDeleteDoesn’t the Bible tells us that God will supply all our wants and desires? Jesus said ask in my name and you shall receive.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, the answer is yes and no. God does give us our wants and desires, as long is it is according to his will. Otherwise, we can surely say that God supplies our needs. The reason why I point that out is that there are far too many Christians who confuse wants, desires and needs.
ReplyDeleteI think there will be Paul because Jesus is seated at the right hand of God.
ReplyDeleteRegarding Jesus learning obedience:-
'During the days of Jesus’ earthly life, He offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the One who could save Him from death, and He was heard because of His reverence. Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from what He suffered, ' Hebrews ch. 5 vs. 7,8
This states that the Son of God, Jesus, learned obedience.
Not at all Keith, before you reference a Scripture, you need to THINK and not just read the Scriptures, for every devil can read the Scriptures and it does not profit them anything.
ReplyDeleteGenesis 19:18 Are there three persons who are called JESUS ?
Genesis 23:6 Did the sons of Heth called him JESUS ? Just THINK before you make a blatant statements.
Now, you tell me, I am quoting from the (NASB) word for word,
(Isaiah 45:22) “Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth; For I am God, and there is no other.”
Now tell me, is that God who is the savior, JESUS ?
Brenda,
ReplyDeleteWhat ! Jesus is seated at the right hand of God ?
What’s next Brenda. You are going from bad to worse in your preaching of your many gods.
Why don’t you place a THIRD god next to your God, one on his right hand and the other on his left hand so that you end up with a TRINITY of gods.
Keith, you said, “the answer is yes and no”.
ReplyDeleteMatthew 5:37 “But let your statement be, ‘Yes, yes’ or No, no’; anything beyond these is of evil.”
Paul, you were the one that made that statement. You claimed that LORD and Lord, in the Bible, is Jesus. I was proving you wrong, again.
ReplyDeleteAnd NO Isaiah 45:22, in any version doesn't say nor imply Jesus. As a matter of fact, Isaiah 45:21 says,
Declare and present your case,
Indeed, let them consult together.
Who foretold this from ancient time?
Who has declared it of old?
Is it not I, Yahweh?
There is no other God beside Me
—a righteous God and a Savior—
there is none besides Me!
Wake up and read the Bible, not another man made version, like NASB.
Paul, Matthew 5:37 is about making oaths. Once again, you revealed your ignorance of the scriptures.
ReplyDeleteYes my friend, you do align yourself with god and his word just like all the Muslims and the Jehovah Witnesses do.
ReplyDeleteBut I suggest that you should align yourself with the Lord Jesus Christ, for He has said, (John 8:24) ‘You will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins’.
Now tell me, is that ungodly for me to tell you that the Lord Jesus Christ is the only God there is ?
Or is that ungodly for me to tell you that the Lord Jesus Christ is the only LORD there is ?
(Isaiah 45:21 to 22) in the Authorised King James translation, word for word, “Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who has told it from that time ? have not I the LORD ? and there is no God beside me; a just God and a saviour; there is none beside me.”
(v.22) “Look unto me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God and there is none else”.
OK. Tell me WHO is that “just God and saviour” ??
It’s NOT difficult my friend.
What is His NAME ?
Well ? there is NO other Name given in heaven and on earth and among men, only ONE Name, please tell me ?
No Keith, it’s not about oath.
ReplyDeleteHe said, “But I say to you, make NO oath at all, either by …. etc.”
Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteregarding our wants and needs, Matthew ch. 6 vs. 31-33 read:-
'Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.'
I have to say 'What next Paul? you are going from pure scripture to false doctrine more and more. It is so obvious to everyone who reads your comments what is true and what is false. All they have to do is look up the scriptures. I am so glad we can have these discussions sometimes because it causes all to search the scriptures to see if what is said is true.
ReplyDeleteHmmm ! Not bad, your comment to Anonymous Brenda :-)
ReplyDeleteYou have taken my words out of my mouth Brenda, that was, what I was going to say to you.
ReplyDeleteNow tell me, on his throne, is Jesus seated next of his Father on his right hand and the Holy Spirit on his left hand ?
That would make a perfect holy trinity of all the gods, don’t you think so ?
(Isaiah 45:21 to 22) in the Authorised King James translation, word for word, “Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who has told it from that time ? have not I the LORD ? and there is no God beside me; a just God and a saviour; there is none beside me.”
(v.22) “Look unto me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God and there is none else”.
Who exactly is that God and saviour, if there is no other saviour beside God ??
Yes Brenda, His Name please.
Jesus was the Word of God made flesh. He was born of God's Spirit, the first of many brethren. We have to be born of the same Spirit to become children of God. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit that Jesus said the Father would send, Who would lead us into all truth.
ReplyDeleteOnce again Paul, it shows your Biblical illiteracy. Y’shua/Jesus is the Word of God. That’s why we say that you are not a child of God because you don’t follow the Bible. You say you do, but it’s clear to everyone that you don’t. You change both our comments and the Word of God to fit your false doctrine. When shown the errors of your ways you tuck tale and change the subject. You only deluding yourself.
ReplyDeleteThat’s funny Brenda. I made my comment before reading yours. I’m a firm believer that the Spirit of God that dwells within all true believers leads us to the same logical and Biblical conclusions. Yours and my comments reveal the superpower of God within us.
ReplyDeletePaul, you need to do something that you’re not accustomed to doing and that is read the verse in context. Y’shua is telling his apostles not to make oaths but to allow your yes be a yes and your no be a no. Again, do not swear upon the earth or of heaven. Let your word be your word. You clearly have know concept of how to read the Bible. No wonder you end of with the false doctrine.
ReplyDeleteBrenda. I agree. If we follow Acts 17:11, we search the scriptures every time one of us makes a comment. It makes us one with the Word of God which is Y’shua.
ReplyDeleteKeith, I love the way God verifies things. It was no coincidence that the scripture you spoke about was the same scripture that the Holy Spirit brought to my remembrance.
ReplyDeleteWow! So many fractured comments. Paul, I'm going to try to explain it, one more time. I'll keep it brief.
ReplyDeleteThere is only one God. That is the Great I AM. Yahweh.
God's plan is to reconcile a disobedient mankind back to him. This was done through an obedient perfect human Son, Y'shua, the Messiah, who had the fullness of God within him. Let me be clear...Y'shua is not God or our Father. Y'shua is seated at the right hand of God, waiting to be sent back here to collect his Bride, the Remnant, The True Believers.
The Word of God is the message of God. It is God himself, not a separate entity. This same Word of God that manifested in creating all there is within our time/space. In this same manner, The Word of God manifested in the Human Messiah, Y'shua/Jesus. Again, The Word of God is God himself, not a separate entity.
To fulfill God righteousness, the Messiah had to be born a man because a man caused the infraction of introducing diobedience into our time/space. Y'shua is the Messiah, a perfect human with the fullness of the Father within him. He is not the Father. He is one with the Father, in the same way all believers are one with them, spiritually. This does not mean that there are multiple gods. There is only one God, Yahweh.
God's Spirit is the reason, the power, the purpose of God revealed to all creation. It is the coalescent power that holds all things together. It is God reaching out to everything within this time/space. IT IS NOT A SEPARATE ENTITY!!!! The Spirit of God is not a separate God. IT IS GOD!!!!!
Why is that so hard to comprehend? I understand that you don't believe it. However, to say that we believe in multiple gods or even the Trinity is very disingenuous. Either you lack the capacity to understand what we are saying or you refuse. I still cannot believe that you are stupid. Therefore, quit misrepresenting our beliefs.
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ReplyDeleteIs This The Book Of Life?
So Jesus is not God????
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, I’m sure that you are referring to my comment to Paul. Paul is very adamant that Jesus is God the Father. He is not. As the Bible states, Y’shua was and is a man, filled with the fullness of God.
ReplyDeleteWow, I can see that you have been very busy here on your sight :-)
ReplyDeleteOK. Let’s talk about my biblical illiteracy :-)
Well, my Bible does not call the Lord Jesus Christ by two different names. In fact nowhere in the entire Bible is the other name mentioned, no not even once my friend.
I think you try to introduce another name in order to confuse God's one and ONLY Name, the Name of JESUS.
That would be like calling my name Harry / Paul, or your name, Tom / Keith :-)
Hmm, where else is another one of my biblical illiteracies.
Oh, that is a good one.
“ Y’shua is telling his apostles not to make oaths but to allow your yes be a yes and your no be a no.”
Please my friend, open your Bible in Matthew 5:36-37 and let us read together.
“Nor shall you make an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black.
But let your statement be, Yes, yes or No, no; anything beyond these is of evil.”
Well my friend, you don’t need to be Einstein to know what the LORD Jesus is telling you.
He is telling you that you should never ever say “Yes and No” at the same time, as you have said to Anonymous.
And don’t try to talk yourself out of this dilemma.
Here we can clearly see who has no concept of the Bible.
More to come !
You said, “There is only one God. That is the Great I AM. Yahweh.”
ReplyDeleteAlso, that is NOT in the Bible.
Yes, there is only ONE Great I AM. But that is the LORD Jesus Christ.
And Yahweh is Satan who masquerades himself as the “Great I am”. Satan said in Isaiah 14:13-14, that he will make himself like the Most High God ect.
You said, “This was done through an obedient perfect human Son, Y'shua, the Messiah, who had the fullness of God within him. Let me be clear...Y'shua is not God or our Father. Y'shua is seated at the right hand of God, waiting to be sent back here to collect his Bride, the Remnant, The True Believers.”
I think that this false doctrine would sink the Titanic all over again.
“This was done through an obedient perfect human Son, Y'shua,”
First, God does NOT have a PERFECT human Son called Y’shua.
Every human son is evil to the core. For He said, “As it is written, There is NONE righteous, NOT even ONE;
There is NONE who understands,
There is NONE who seeks for God;
All have turned aside, together they have become useless;
There is NONE who does good,
There is NOT even ONE.”
Well, there is your useless man Y’shua, a sinner at best.
But JESUS Christ is called (IMMANUEL), God with us (Mat. 1:25 and Isa. 7:14).
Perhaps you can see, that in the beginning God did not tell you His Name till He caused Himself to be born into His own creation, and it is this “JESUS” whom you are always demoting to a mere man.
And it is for that reason all your doctrines have become doctrines of devils just as it is written in the Bible.
And yes, “Y'shua is not God or our Father”
You are right in saying that, it is JESUS who is our God and our Father, for it is JESUS who created everything in heaven and on earth, our Father.
That’s what you get when you THINK and read your Bible.
You said, “Jesus is not the Father.”
Jesus said, (John 8:19) “You know neither Me nor My Father; if you knew Me, you would know My Father also.”
Can you see how the letters on “Me and My”, are capital letters, which denotes Deity, God.
And in (Luke 10:22), the Lord Jesus Christ tells you, “and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
Because you don’t believe that Jesus is the Father, shows me that the Lord Jesus Christ has not revealed Himself to you, and you don’t know God.
And He lifted up His eyes to heaven and said, ‘I praise thee O Father that thou hast hidden this things from the wise and intelligent and gave it to babes.’
Hello anonymous,
ReplyDeleteWhere Paul says, 'Jesus is God the Father.'
Jesus said, (John 8:19) “You know neither Me nor My Father; if you knew Me, you would know My Father also.”
This shows that Jesus is the express image of the Father.
Hebrews ch. 1 vs. 1-4 state:-
'God, Who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.'
Colossians ch. 1 vs. 14-16 state regarding Jesus:-
'in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.…'
Jesus was born of God's Spirit in order to redeem all who believe in Him from the curse of losing eternal life because of Adam's sin in questioning God's Word.
No Brenda, this shows you that you don’t know the Father OR the Lord Jesus Christ.
ReplyDeleteTherefore you don’t know God.
And the Lord Jesus said, “You will die in your sins unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins” (John 8:24).
God is Spirit, Jesus was the first man born of God's Spirit. We, although we are born in the flesh, are able also to become children of God, by being born of God's Spirit, because of Jesus' sacrifice for our sins, sins which prevented us from being reconciled with God.
ReplyDeleteLook Brenda, we have had that debate numerous times.
ReplyDeleteIf you can NOT become a child to the Queen of England, then what makes you think that you can become a child to the Lord God Almighty ?
What do you think, by jumping through hoops ?
Or praying to the holy Mary ?
Or by pleasing a man ? or what ?
Or how do you think that you can become born of God’s Holy Spirit, as you have said ?
Well, HOW ?
What is the trick you must DO, to become born of God’s Holy Spirit ?
As I have shown you many times, it is written. Look up the scriptures that say about how we can become children of God.
ReplyDeletePaul, I give the name of Y’shua/Jesus, because of your immaturity and ignorance of the Word, where it says that Y’shua is the Messiah’sreal name.
ReplyDeleteIt’s obvious in your comments with Brenda about being a child of God that you’re ignorant of the biblical concepts of being Grafted in and being adopted.
You ignorance shines through when you read Matthew 5;36-37 where it clearly says oaths and you say it doesn’t. You even wrote it down. Were you not cognitive of the word when you wrote it or do you cut and paste with a total disregard of what it says.
Your ignorance is really evident when you say Yahweh is Satan, totally ignorant of the fact that the name of Jesus means Yahweh Saves or Yahweh is Salvation.
As for the rest of your comment, I’m still amazed, even though I shouldn’t be, how you totally ignore the plain English you are writing or saying. However, I think I know what you problem is.
You said that we need to think and read. That’s your problem. You need to read first, then think. Read first and engage the Spirit of God, then let the doctrine of God sink in The problem is that you think up your doctrine, then read it into the Bible and by your doctrines, you have quite an imagination.
I agree with what you have said here Keith regarding Paul putting his own thoughts above the truth of the scriptures.
ReplyDeleteLook Brenda, if you can’t understand God-given logic, then how can you understand spiritual realities ?
ReplyDeleteYou CANNOT Brenda, it is impossible !
The base of logic in our debate is, THAT YOU CANNOT MAKE YOURSELF A SON TO SOMEONE.
You cannot become a child to God, no matter how hard you try.
Keith, I think you are confusing me with yourself, don’t you ?
ReplyDeleteMy Bible says that JESUS who is the Christ is the Messiah’s real Name.
Concerning Matthew 5:36-37, Well, blind Freddy can tell you what is says, you don’t have to excuse yourself.
You said, “Your ignorance is really evident when you say Yahweh is Satan, totally ignorant”
If Jesus is God, and God is ONE, then any other one is a false god.
In other words, if Jesus is God, then Yahweh is Satan the god of this world (2 Cor. 4:4).
And NO my friend, you cannot have a relationship with both, Jesus and Satan.
Paul, that’s called circular reasoning and setting up a straw man.. It holds no water, my friend. Look, Paul, I’m going to leave you with some advise. READ YOUR BIBLE!!!!!
ReplyDeleteWhat, circular reasoning ?
ReplyDeleteMy reasoning is straightforward my friend.
OK. I say it again.
If Jesus is God, and God is ONE, then any other one is a false god.
In other words, if Jesus is God, then Yahweh is Satan the god of this world (2 Cor. 4:4).
And NO my friend, you cannot have a relationship with both, Jesus and Satan.
It is time for you and return to your Father the Lord Jesus Christ, it is He who has bought you with the price of His blood and you belong to Him, Keith.
Yes we can become children of God Paul because scripture says so. Fleshly children are not joined together, they have separate minds which do not think alike. When we are born of God's Spirit, as Jesus was, then we are joined as one with Jesus and one with God because we are all of the same Spirit having learned God's ways through the teaching of Christ.
ReplyDeleteThis is Tim, I am on a computer with a different account so my ICON will not show up.
ReplyDeleteBut I have to say in all love and respect to all here and trying not to be hurtful in what I say, please take all of that into consideration...
Anonymous asked a simple question and I don't feel the answers were efficient. It seems like the person is a non-believer or at least a seeker based on some of the wording. Maybe it's more than one person, I am assuming it's not.
The question was: Is Jesus God?
Anonymous, simply put....YES.
Now if you want to know how and why, that is where the four of us here have differences. All I can say is go to all four blogs, read some of their ideas and ask God for the direction.
And again, out of love and respect, this thread has me confused about what all of us think truly about Jesus. One person is confused about what they think, one surprised me on what they think and the other left me wondering what they meant. I don't want to get into this discussion because I know the pattern. But maybe on our blogs we need to define exactly who we think Jesus is.
But again, anonymous, Jesus is God in my book.
No offense to anyone, just my perception of what I have read. If I am wrong about your thoughts you know I didn't want to say it to hurt anyone.
Tim and anonymous,the Bible says that Jesus is the express image of God. When Jesus was a child it is said that He had to learn obedience through the things He suffered. Obedience to Who. Jesus was the Word of God made flesh. God is Spirit, and what enables us all to be children of God is our ability to be born of that Spirit, just as Jesus was, through believing in that Word. We are told in the scriptures that Jesus was the first of many brethren. He can not be both our brother and our father.
ReplyDeleteJust to add, we are told that we have to believe and be baptised to be saved. When I was baptised I came up out of the water speaking in a language that I had never learned, the scriptures say this is speaking mysteries to God. This is what I believe I am doing when I pray in this language. I feel as if I am communicating spiritually with Him my deepest thoughts and feelings
ReplyDeleteJesus also said on the cross. 'My God,my God, why have you forsaken me?? Who would He be speaking to? There are so many scriptures coming into my mind. God
ReplyDeleteSorry, I added the word God at the end because I was going to say more, but it might be too much to take in at the moment. I forgot to delete it.
ReplyDeleteBrenda,
ReplyDeleteI couldn't argue with all of that. Let me ask you a question if you will, if you could pace a percentage on who He was what would you do? Such as:
When He was born....
Was He 0% man 100% God?
Was He 50% man 50% God?
Was He 100% man 0% God?
Other choice? I feel He was something else. What is your opinion?
To everyone, I’m sorry, I assumed that anonymous was following our comment trail. I assumed that he or she was referencing Paul‘s allusion that Jesus was the Father, therefore God. In that case, within that myopic view, the answer is no, Jesus is not God. However, the fullness of the father did and continues till this day to fill the man, Jesus, making the prophecy of Emmanuel, true. That is, God is with us and and with Jesus. I want to say more, but are we on the same page with that?
ReplyDeleteI am on the same page as I think I understand but no I do not agree with that He is not God. I am not saying exactly what Paul says but I do believe He and the Father are One even from birth.
ReplyDeleteIf you will, indulge me and allow me to go off on a tangent and address that statement and we’ll get back to whether or not Jesus is or is not God.
ReplyDeleteI think we can agree that Jesus and the Father being one is not the same as saying that God is our Father or Jesus is God. They are two exclusive statements. Within our limited and sinful four dimensional.time-space, which dwells within at least a 10 dimensional universe, God cannot personally dwell as a sinful man or be a man which is either sinful by his nature or become sin for all man. Yes, could do it, but it would go against his pure and righteous nature. Therefore, can we agree that the Jesus being one with the Father does not mean that Jesus is God, in the same way as our Father is God?.
Well Tim, you are a trinitarian, a universalist (Catholic), who believes in THREE gods.
ReplyDeleteIf Jesus is not alone your ‘GOD’, then there are other gods in your god-economy, it is as simple as that.
If Jesus is NOT God alone, then God is TWO or THREE.
You do not testify to only one God Jesus Christ, you also testify to other gods, and it makes no difference what you call the other gods.
Keith and Brenda believe in a false god, a god by the name of Yahweh, and to them the Lord Jesus Christ is just another sinner whom God has made perfect apart from his shed blood, just like the Jehovah Witnesses cult. Nothing different.
And I believe in only ONE God, the Lord Jesus Christ alone and no other God next to Him. Jesus is the ONE who holds the TITLES, Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
He is the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end, and before Abraham was, I AM says the Lord.
Everyone in the whole world will be in one of the above stated believes.
Paul, I think I know why anonymous, over on your blog, thinks you may have a brain tumor. LOL We just went through this and Tim has explained to you his position and beliefs, many times. However, you continue to ignore what we say and state whatever you have in your mind at the time. It’s just not true, just like your doctrine.
ReplyDeleteKeith,
ReplyDeleteIf Jesus is God, and God is ONE, then any other one is a false god.
In other words, if Jesus is God, then Yahweh is Satan the god of this world (2 Cor. 4:4).
You cannot have a relationship with both, Jesus and Satan, and anyone who does or ignores that, surely must have a severe brain tumor.
Not only that; the Lord Jesus Christ calls such a one a STUPID one (Jer. 4:22).
Tim you said, “ I do believe He and the Father are One even from birth.”
ReplyDeleteThe mistake you are making is that you start your assumption with TWO, two individuals, Jesus AND the Father.
From here one you will always end up with TWO persons or entities.
Hi Tim,
ReplyDeleteI would say that when Jesus was born He was 100% man and 100% God. He was man in the flesh and God in the Spirit.
Paul the apostle says in 1 Timothy ch. 2 vs. 5-7:-
' For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time, for which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle—I am speaking the truth in Christ and not lying—a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.'
Jesus, being the Word of God, had to become flesh in order to speak God's Word to us.
ReplyDeleteAlso so that He could be sacrificed for our sins.
ReplyDeleteWith all that said, we are faced with Yahweh, our Father, being surely God. So, where does that leave Jesus? If God cannot become sin or being a man with a sinful nature, then what about Jesus?
ReplyDeleteI think we must go to Jesus, to determine who or what Jesus is. Jesus quoted David, when he said to the Pharisees,
" Yeshua answered them, “Isn’t it written in your Writings, ‘I have said you are gods’? If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the Word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), do you say of Him, the One that the Father set apart and sent into the world, ‘You speak blasphemy,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God'?
I pose the same question to you. If those, to whom the Word of God was received, were considered gods, then what about the one, of whom is a direct creation of the Word of God, from the mouth of Yahweh? Would he not be a god? This is a rhetorical question, because the answer is obvious.
Yes, Jesus is a god, which begs the question, Is he God Almighty? No, he is not. However, he is one with God Almighty in Spirit and the manifested Word of God.
Let's go a little further. Psalm 82:6-8 says,
"You are (Elohim), gods, children of the most high. But you will die a man, violently falling as a chief prince. Rise up as one of the gods, judge the earth and inherit the nations."
Now, before you quote the first commandment, notice what the first commandment actually says.
I AM the Yahweh, Elohim. You will not have any god before me.
It doesn't say that there aren't any gods. It says that you will not have any gods before me, for I am the most high.
So, bottom line, Jesus is god, but not God Almighty, for the sons of God are called gods, one with God in Spirit, after receiving the Word of God within them.
So, to answer your question, Is Jesus God Almighy, or Father? No. Is Jesus god? Yes. He is our Lord and god, as Thomas said.
Jesus is 100% Man and 100% god, with the fullness of God within him. This is how God could give us a man/god to be a sacrifice for mans sins.
Jesus is a supernatural man, with the power of God. We have the same capabilities, if we allow God to fully dwell within us. The writer of Romans, inspired by God's Holy Spirit, puts it perfectly.
"For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.
Your thoughts?
Paul, you said,
ReplyDelete"If Jesus is God, and God is ONE, then any other one is a false god.
That would be somewhat true, if Jesus was God Almighty. However, Jesus is a man, with the fullness of God Almighty. You really need to quit listening to the voices in your head and read the Bible and be guided by God's Holy Spirit. If you would become a child of God, then those voices would be silenced. Those voices are mostly Satan, Demons or that brain tumor. Accept God's gift of Salvation, through the gift of his son, Jesus. If that doesn't silence the voices, then you might want to go see that doctor.
Brenda,
ReplyDeleteI will address you first. Your answer of 100% God and 100% man is what I would have said too!
If He was 0% God and 100% man then we worship a man. But the shepherds and wise men worshiped him when He was a baby. They just didn't "honor" Him. And if we worship a man then we uplifted a mere man to the stature of God.
If He is 100% God and 0% man then him coming down and dying meant nothing because that means his suffering was not much of a sacrifice, for He probably could not be physically hurt by man.
If he is 50-50 then he only died for half my sins and only half of his sacrifice means anything.
As you stated he is 100-100! His sacrifice means everything because he gave up everything. I worship a god not a man.
And I think it's in John where in the same passage he is called the son of God and the son of man. And that means because he can fulfill both criteria he can be my judge. He has been in my whole shoes and still remain my creator.
Yes, He was the word and the word became flesh as you stated. He was with God and He was God. That says it all.
But I have to admit that I find it concerning when you told Paul that because it says one Father and one Lord that it means two. I don't know if I am misunderstanding.
If Jesus is 100% God then He is God, and has always been a part of him.
Paul,
ReplyDeleteI will address you now.
Find that medicine.
But in all sincerity you just don't understand the fullness of God. You won't agree with that statement. You will start your circular argument pattern and we won't get anywhere.
You just don't understand his fullness. If you feel I am a trinitarian, then whatever, who cares. I believe in a Trinity but I am not the trinitarian you think. They are not the same thing.
Again, a coin----has one side (one here in the US we calls "heads"), has another side (one we call "tails") and it has a third side, the edge on the outside...YET it is still one COIN.
So, call me a trinitarian, it's not an insult.
The main issue with you is the name of Jesus and YHWH. Believe it or not I understand what you mean by YHWH being letters. You didn't do a good job explaining it but I get it now. I can see your point about how letters were added to YHWH, but the point is YHWH is in the Bible, period and it does represent God the Father (one side of the coin). There are thousands of people named Jesus, an earthly name. But Jesus of Nazareth's name is higher than any other name. I believe Jesus is there in the OT and is clear that He is. And His name is not mentioned in the OT because if His name was known then God's purpose would not be fulfilled. But the Jews CALLED upon the name of the Lord. They did call him something. Otherwise the taking the Lord's name in vain means nothing because if they didn't know His name then how could break that commandment and we have all broken every commandment there is.
10mg or 25mg, what's your dosage?
Keith,
ReplyDeleteYours is the hardest to address because I still can't understand it all.
Here is what it sounds like: There are two Gods. Yahweh the Father eternal, creator. And there Jesus a man because of his obedience was risen to be equal with God.
Is that what I am hearing? I really am confused by what you're saying.
I won't even try to pretend I know the answers to your questions. I can give you my opinion and hopefully will not be rationalizing my ideas to fit into my beliefs.
Can Jesus die if he was God? The 100% man could. Jesus' body is 100% man. Anything physical can and will die. The man suffered. The man bled. The man desired. The man hurt and cried. The man became afraid when God left him. The man died. His body was a shell. The man became sin and was able to sin even though in his body he never sinned. That does not make his body God. That just made his body a sacrifice.
But He WAS and IS also God, just not his body. His spirit is God.
When He cried to God on the cross (somehow out of our power of thinking) The God left The man. Notice in all cases Jesus says My Father all the time when he is talking about the father, EXCEPT on the cross he yells out My GOD! I just think that is beyond our power of thinking to know what the extent of that. Perhaps beyond our time-space-perception???? Huh...see what I did there?
And not trying to back up Paul but it sounds like the way you are expressing yourself that there are two gods as well. I know that is not what you're thinking.
I had more but I lost my train of thought.
Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteYou now have four thoughts on if Jesus is God. I hope you search and ask God because as you see man cannot agree.
Bottom line is though we all agree that believing in Jesus as the savior is what is the most important. Because of his actions we have been reconciled to perfection, even when we're not.
Now I remember what I was going to say, Keith. It sounds like you're comparing Jesus to Stargate the series. That there was a symbiote like a Goa'uld.
ReplyDeleteYou're not saying that Jesus was a real man who was just a host? Are you?????
Not exactly, but close. If you remember, the host, of a Gou'old, even though conscious, had no control over him or herself and had to do anything the symbiote wanted. With Jesus, he had his own body, mind, soul and most importantly, his own free will.
ReplyDeleteLet's take a step back and look at Philippians 2.
In Philippians 2:6, it says that Jesus had the same nature as God himself, before taking on the nature or form of a man. Let's stop and ask ourselves, 'What does that mean?'.
To me, in God's reality, which is outside our time-space, that means that the Word of God, the Spirit of God, the Father and other dimensions that make up God's total being or existence, can operate separately, but not independently. All operates as one with the Father, the mind of God, for lack of a better word.
In our reality, that's sounds preposterous. How can someone's spirit operate outside of ones body, mind, spirit and soul? However, it's not a farfetched concept, because the Bible tells us, as all Christians believe, that the Spirit of God operates outside of God's existence and dwells within each believer.
Man, I could go off on a tangent with that one, but I won't. :-)
John tells us, in John 1, that the dimension of God, that left God's reality, was the Word of God. However, when the Word of God manifested into the man Jesus, he still have the problem of his nature's inability to dwell in the presence of sinful man.
Solution: Using the egg of a virgin and the power of God's Spirit, the Word of God created a protective shell to insulate him from this reality. The problem for the Word of God was that, for the first time, he was separate from the Father and had to operate autonomously. The Word of God still had the Spirit, the fullness of God, within him inside this human shell. But, as part of this process, the Word of God had to work within the confines of this human shell, cut off the mind of God and having a free will, mind, etc of a human being. Think about it. Jesus had the Word of God and the Power of God's Spirit, but didn't know everything that God knew.
Here we have a man, without the seed of sinful man, with the fullness of God, living a perfect life, freely giving himself as the ultimate and only worthy sacrifice for our sins.
While on the cross, the Fullness of God, the Word of God and God's Spirit, left him. This left the man Jesus to be obedient to the end and have the sins of the world placed upon him. He immediately died due to the weight of the sins and the emptiness left by God.
When Jesus fulfilled his mission, the man Jesus was rewarded with a transformed body and was elevated to the status of Lord god.
Before that, no one could touch him. Remember what Jesus said to Mariam, outside of the tomb.
Because of his obedience and the receiving of the Word of God, the man Jesus is the Son of God. He is Elohim, as Psalm 82 says, one with God Almighty and exalted to the highest place, the right hand of the Father.
There aren't two Gods. There is only one God and only one Son of God, with the nature or form of God, as it was in the beginning, with the Word of God. Together, they are Elohim.
Honestly, it's quite simple and very Biblical.
Tim, it means two because when Jesus came to earth He 'became' flesh with God's Spirit within Him. He is called God's Son, because He was born of the Spirit of God, not of man. Before He came to earth there was no connection with mankind.
ReplyDeleteHe was also called Son of man because of the fact that He was sent to earth to be connected to mankind, being born from a woman's womb, in order to become the sacrifice for man to be reconciled to God.
Just to make it more clear Tim, Jesus is our Lord because God gave Him all authority on earth. However, when we are born again of God's Spirit then we are able to call the One Who Jesus called His 'Father' while He was on earth our Father because Jesus was called the first of many brethren, God's Son, and we have also become children of God.
ReplyDeleteKeith,
ReplyDeleteIf I had to pick a sci-fi analogy I would have chosen the Borg. One collective, one purpose, all connected. One essence (cyborg) that cannot exist without the other essence (flesh).
Of course no analogy can really explain it but Star Trek is better hahaha.
I can agree with most of what you say.
Yes He is the word. The word has always been in existence and the word WAS God. It is more than just part of what he is. It IS him. I believe Jesus has always been here in existence. I believe He is the creator as John 1:3 says. I believe He is present in the OT as the angel of the lord and other places. The holy spirit is also mentioned.
The body is just a shell. It gave God the father to be able feel the pain and suffering a mere man.
I have more but again I lost my train of thought because when I went to another tab to look for scripture, blogspot erased all that I typed.
Of course you know someone here is going to now take all out of context and say we think God is a sci-fi story. :)
ReplyDeleteBrenda,
ReplyDeleteI disagree about the connection with mankind. God has always intervened. Jesus has always been here. The body though was not. He was from Mary for all who are flesh are born of flesh. But I most certainly agree that he was also born of spirit.
We become children of God because we take on Christ body. We are an extension of Jesus as 1 Corinthians tell us. To gain the full adoption as Keith said, we must be reborn and believe. At that point if you ask me we become born of the spirit and take our inheritance along side Him.
Tim, he already did, over on his blog.
ReplyDeleteTim, I agree with you that the man Jesus always existed, in the same manner that you and I have always existed, not in a physical form, but spiritually. I’m not sure if we were cognitive at that time, but God told Jeremiah,
ReplyDeleteI knew you before I formed you in the womb.
I take that was the same for everyone.
As for Jesus being the angel of God, within the Old Testament, I’m not sure I can hang my out on that quite yet. As you know, I’m a very big stickler as to everything fitting scripturally. In the past, I have taught that all the OT theophanies were Jesus. I’m not sure of that right now. Sometimes I find scripture that makes it work, then I find others that throw a crowbar in the middle of it.
As for the Father feeling the actual pain of a mere man, I think that his righteousness gets in the way of interpreting that as such. He didn’t need to and I don’t think that his righteousness required it. I do feel that he felt the pain of a Father watching his son go through the pain, but felt the actual pain? Again I think that goes against what God would have done in his righteous nature. As far as I see it, God is black-and-white and operates as such, but I could be wrong.
As for Jesus being the creator, that was a tough one for me, for a while. Are you saying the man Jesus or are you talking the Word of God Jesus? As for me, all of creation, with the exception of what God formed from other elements, he spoke into existence, by the word of God. I believe that is what John and Paul, the apostles, :-) we’re talking about. John 1:1 is clearly talking about the Word of God, not the man. Jesus. Colossians 1 is clearly talking about the Word of God creating for the man, Jesus. 1 Cor 8 muddies the water and John1:10 is talking about the Word of God, within the Man, Jesus.
By the way, I have wrote many things in the past, only to have the computer wipe them out because I either hit the wrong buttons or a glitch in the program. That’s why I write all my comments in Microsoft Word and then copy them over to the comment section.
I don't even go over to that snoozer of a blog anymore. Same posts different title. Nothing new to even think about. But I will check it out for the laughs.
ReplyDeleteJesus the word. Jesus the man only came into existence during his birth. But I think the word of God is of God not from God, as opposed to the scripture, if that makes sense.
ReplyDeleteTim, what I was saying was that there was no physical, fleshly connection to mankind. Jesus was the first man that was born of God's Spirit. None of the prophets were sons of God, they were those born of the flesh, fathered by man, who spoke God's Word to those of the flesh as they received that Word from God.
ReplyDeleteKeith,
ReplyDeleteI believe also that we existed before we were born on earth. As I have shared in my near death experience, the scripture regarding God knowing Jeremiah before he was born is the only thing that comforted me in my grief of having to come back from the beautiful place I was taken to - which I believe was the third heaven, Paradise.
That Word is a living Word, and God uses it to speak to us in any situation at any time.
Hi Keith, this is Suzanne from Jackson. I followed your link from your Facebook page. Like I told you the other day, I thought you were bonkers that there was no way that the 23rd Psalm could be different that much from what my Bible says. But I followed your advice and got my concordance out and checked it myself. I am amazed how different it sounds when you look up the words for yourself. I actually cried big crocodile tears LOL when I read David’s personal plea for the first time . It is amazing and wonderful. How much more of things like this are there to be found? I’m very excited now to get back into my Bible along with my concordance and see what I have been missing. Thank God for your testimony and thank you.
ReplyDeleteTim, he’s over there talking to him self now. I almost feel sorry for him.
ReplyDeleteAs for the Word of God, we are in agreement.
Brenda, I honestly feel that the Scriptures lean in that direction I believe that the spirit and/or soul is eternal. I believe that the flesh is the only thing about us that is my finite. I agree that the word of God is living and is God.
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ReplyDeleteSuzanne, thanks for coming over. I am so glad that you didn’t believe me at first and checked it out for yourself. Finding out the truth of Gods word is like getting that all important second wind, in order to make it to the end of the race. I hope that you continue to dig deep into god’s word and share it with us. By the way, getting closer to God is an emotional journey. I would be surprised if you didn’t shed tears.
By the way, Suzanne, there’s a lot like that to be found.
ReplyDeleteShalom Brother Keith. Playing catch up. Work has been horrible this year. This is a great post. I agree with Suzanne. It does make me think and wonder what else is lurking in there to surprise us. You know that I agree with you that we aren't getting the total story from our English versions.
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