Amazingly, it fits the bill and the only warning, given to us, can be found within the Bible, as an end time indicator.
In and of itself, a cashless society is not a problem and will most likely be beneficial to humanity. However, according to the Bible, it will be this platform, that will be used by the antichrist, to control our access, to the world community supermarket. The Bible tells us that, without the Mark of the Beast, we will not be able to buy and sell anything, in this new economy. It has been long believed that the antichrist will use the Mark of the Beast to allow access to the world’s economy, while forcing people to accept his ways or starve or do without.
Look at us today. We are primed to do anything to keep our stuff. We need to become self sufficient to be able to freely navigate the end times, that are rapidly coming our way.
Finally, I must reiterate that it was only the Bible to shed light on this prophecy and it’s negative usage within the workings of the human society. No other religious book comes close to the reliability and inerrancy of the Word of God. God is calling you to read and become one, with his will, through accepting the God given sin sacrifice of his son, Y'shua/Jesus. All I ask is to look into it yourself and make your own decision.
… And that’s what you’ll find, When You Search For The Truth.
Keith,
ReplyDeleteThere are many companies already doing this. Biohax, Three Square Market just to name a few more. Sweden is the leading country. We're way past the "point of no return". Good news is the church will not have to live through the days coming up as the tribulation.
Hey Tim, the three examples that were given are representative of the major market movers. I totally agree that there are many players in the digital currency. If I understand correctly, Bitcoin and Blockchain have been the biggest movers, over the last year. I also agree that we are way past the point of no return.
ReplyDeleteAs for the leading countries, I thought Thailand, Sweden and Norway were considered one, two and three. But I honestly don't know enough to debate.
I do have to wonder how you arrived at the conclusion that the church will not have to live through the days coming up as the tribulation. The only concrete biblical position concerning the church and the tribulation is the fact that we will not suffer the wrath of God, which appears to be within the last month or so of the Great Tribulation, which is the last three and a half years of the seven year tribulation.
I'm a techie as my profession. Not that I'm an expert, but Bitcoin is one of many digital platforms out there making a play for the leader. I did read recently that Bitcoin stock has blown up considerably over the last year, due to its increasing popularity amount the 20-30 yr olds. I also read that blockchain just improved their platform as you wrote in your post. I wouldn't be surprised if they end up being the standard. I'm also a pre-wrath rapture believer. It just makes sense, but I hope Tim is right and we are raptured before the tribulation begins, but I doubt it.
ReplyDeleteKeith and Chris,
ReplyDeleteHere is why I think that:
If you read Revelation, the Church is mentioned all the way up to Chapter 4. Then it is not mentioned again. Chapter 5 is when all the signs, seals, and so forth start to happen. The church is gone before these things happen.
Luke 21:36 tells is to watch and pray that we will be counted as worthy to escape things that come to pass. That tells us some of us will be counted as worthy and escape these things---raptured. To escape, not to "not happen to". We will escape out of all of this.
2 Thessalonians 2:7 says we will be taken out of the way before the man of lawlessness can do anything. That goes back to Revelation 5 and onwards. He can't do anything until we are gone, then God will cause the wrath to happen.
Chris, I agree with you that I hope Tim is correct. However, we need to recognize and be prepared as we enter into the end times.
ReplyDeleteTim, as you know, I had been a pre-trib, for a long long long time and I hope that you are correct. However, there are many verses that point to a pre-wrath, rather than a pre-trib rapture. I must say that most of pre-trib views fall into the pre-wrath view, except for the timing of the rapture . My concern is that we don’t give the church a false hope by teaching the church a view, that is not totally supported by the Bible.
ReplyDeleteThe only thing that we are guaranteed is that we will not go through the wrath of God. Therefore, I teach the pre-wrath view, which indicates that the rapture can occur anytime before the tribulation and through the tribulation, until the wrath of God begins. We need to be ready for any possibility and not allow a pre-trib rapture promise to be a possible tripping point, for the church.
There are three specific witnesses that promises us that we will not go through the wrath of God.
...wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come. 1 Thess.1:10
For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Thess. 5:9
Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. Isaiah 26:20
I think that most of the pretrib view is speculative, not concrete. I want to reiterate that I believe most of the pre-trib view, just not the actual timing of the rapture. But I am always open to the leading of the Spirit, into his truth. Again, I hope and pray, that there is a pre-trib rapture, but I will be ready for a pre-wrath rapture.
I think that Matthew 24 clearly reveals that the church will enter the early years of the tribulation, if not the great tribulation, especially 24:22-25.
ReplyDeleteIf those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you ahead of time.
I agree William. That is one of the troubling verses for those who believe that the rapture will occur before the Great Tribulation. Of course, there are some who say that the tribulation isn't what Y'shua was referencing in Matthew 24, but I don't honestly believe that argument holds very much water.
ReplyDeleteI believe that Matthew is only referring to the Jewish nation. All things mentioned there have a Jewish connotation to it. Sabbath, Jerusalem, the elect, etc. I am not ruling out what you all have said but I can't see it as anything else.
ReplyDeleteGood Points, Tim. I cannot speak for Chris and William, but I believe you hit the nail on the head in respect to my belief. We don’t know for sure, other than a pre-wrath rapture. Again, I hope and pray for a pre-trib rapture. I also believe that it’s the work of Satan, when people use the issue to divide the Body. Agree?
ReplyDeleteWilliam, please remember to sign out of the supervisor workstation. I’ve used your account twice on accident. I guess it’s my fault that I didn’t check first. :-) LOL
ReplyDeleteSorry. I know it’s a bad habit, but I let the the computer autolog me out. I forget that doesn’t log me out of my google account.
ReplyDeleteA quick question, Tim. Does all tribulation references point to a pretribulation rapture?
ReplyDeleteChris,
ReplyDeleteI hope so, but I have not done a full complete 100% study to say that with 100% accuracy :)
The other side can just as easily bring up the same amount of scripture for their point of view. I personally just can't see it any other way. The worse argument is the preterist view which makes no sense and adds no hope to the world at all.
Tim, You are going to have to explain that a little more. When the disciples ask Jesus about the end times, Jesus said, "This good news of the kingdom will be proclaimed in all the world as a testimony to all nations. And then the end will come." That sounds pretty much like he's speaking to the church, as a whole, not just the Jews. Could you elaborate, a little more, on your position that Jesus was talking to the Jews, not the church in Matthew 24? Or did I misunderstand your last comment?
ReplyDeleteHi Keith,
ReplyDeleteWell, I think that is just another one of your man-made doctrine or useless speculation.
Mostly Christian cults like Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons and those who have departed from the Lord Jesus Christ to other gods promote those end-time speculations.
Every time something new comes on the market or a powerful leader emerges, churches and individuals are preaching their end-time doctrines.
I wish that they would preach Jesus Christ and believe in Him rather than to tickle the ears of unbelievers on the way to their destruction.
I recommend you ask the Lord Jesus Christ and NOT a god called Jehovah whether your speculations are true or not ?
Paul, Are you saying that there will be no end times? No anti-Christ? The anti-Christ won’t control how you buy and sell? What biblical fact are you disputing? Maybe, the rapture which we’ve been discussing, again, a biblical fact?
ReplyDeleteKeith, if there is a beginning then there has to be an end.
ReplyDeleteAnd no my friend, your doctrines are NOT a biblical fact, you have learned those doctrines from the antichrist church, the Catholic church and NOT from the Lord Jesus Christ.
If you or anyone of you would have been taught by God you would NOT believe that fluctuating nonsense, but you would believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Haven’t you read that a little leaven leavens the whole lump ?
In other words, a little lie turns your whole doctrine into a total lie
Paul, by your own admission, you agree that there is a time that is considered as the end, therefore the End Times. Even Y’dhua/Jesus referred to this n Matthew 24:14.
ReplyDeleteAs for the rapture, it is referenced by Paul in 1 Corinthian‘s 15 and Isaiah 26:20.
So, yes Paul, they are biblical facts.
Bottom line: in the end, the antichrist, the son of perdition will need a platform to control world commerce as laid out in Revelation 13:17. The only part of this conversation which is speculation is what platform is he going to use to control it.
William,
ReplyDeleteThe church was nor established until after the resurrection. I guess to me that means that all Jesus said, especially in Matthew is meant for the Jews. Now that does not mean there are no implications for the Gentile for the things He taught and stuff but I feel it is clearly for the Jews. As for the scripture you referenced I would point out that the message will be sent to all the world and THEN the end will come; not necessarily the next day, just sometime after. The message can be sent out by Messianic Jews as well. I feel it still all fits. I hope I cleared up some ideas.
Paul,
ReplyDeletePlease stay with the conversation. Keith just wanted to discuss what he felt were signs of the end times. You addressed the situation by saying there will be an end.
Do you have an opinion on the end times? if so, what are they? If you do not, then don't say anything at all. This is not a discussion about leaven or the Catholic Church or the name of God. We just want to discuss what we feel the end times will be like. Can you just please have a simple cordial conversation with us? You don't have to like us or agree with us or anything but why talk if you are not on the topic?
It was not my intention to make a correction to the blog but I was requested to shed some insight into crypto currency.
ReplyDeleteIt is some thing that I spent some time studying as I felt it might be important to understand a possible change of currency that the world will be moving to in the future also as someone on this blog has taught me very well not to keep all your eggs in one basket so I wanted to understand this type of basket.
In a nutshell bitcoin is what we all most know and have heard of which is just a form of cryptographic currency there are many other forms of crypto currency such as ethereum, litecoin, ripple etc... and they all reside on what is called the block chain it is one type of technology that is a digital ledger and these ledgers are recorded and are stored on each individual's computer system that make exchanges in crypto currency's or hold and invest in the multiple crypto currency's. This is the same as you are your own bank you hold a copy of you own ledger instead of a bank. your computer dies and you buy a new one your ledger is not lost you simply put in your code into your crypto wallett and your ledger is rebuilt by pulling information from everywhere you have made trasactions as everyone else you have exchanged with holds your information on their ledger.
The reason why the block chain is the perfect platform for world commerce and currencies is because it doesn't matter what type of crypto you have you can make exchanges or payments from one type of crypto to another in one second. It opens the door to small businesses to big corporations all over the world to exchange money on one platform (blockchain) without any barriers or banking involved in a matter of seconds. So far it's been nearly impossible to hack and all information or transactions that are done on the block chain are visible to the public the books or ledgers cannot be tainted which is why this has become they highlighted feature for it to be the future secure currency.
Thanks, for the clarification, Brandon! Up to the last 20 years, most every expert ridiculed the Bible for saying that one man can control the world‘s economy. However, it’s easy to see in today’s world how it is possible.
ReplyDeleteBrandon,
ReplyDeleteAre you saying that this is the way the anti-Christ will make people pay for things? It was hard for me to follow for some reason. Are you saying that all money transactions through this system are automatically saved and that all transactions are just digital codes that can be traced, kind of like fingerprints? Is there a company called Bitcoin or is it a system of currency?
Hi Tim,
ReplyDeleteI'm not saying this is the way the anti christ will make people pay for things but it fits the bill! Yes all transactions are automatically saved not just on one central computer or server but yours plus the others you just exchanged money with. I understand it being hard to follow blockchain technology is a very complicated system to explain in a couple paragraphs. All transactions are cryptographic codes and your idedntity in a transaction is also a code kind of like a fingerprint. Bitcoin was the first cryptographic currency on the block chain then other systems joined I believe there like over 700 systems today bitcoin being the most sought after crypto.
I agree with your assessment Brandon. Also, now is the time to get in on cryptocurrency stock. You can buy a lot without spending a lot of money.. If cryptocurrency rises in the same way that bitcoin has over the past two years, you can make some big money. The problem with this type of stock is if you do not get in early, you can lose a lot of money when the stock eventually corrects itself. But the opportunity is there.
ReplyDeleteWell, if this is like something the anti-Christ might use, would we really want to use this? How safe is it for the Christian?
ReplyDeleteThe currency you use right now isn't a biblical based currency so what does that make it?
DeleteHi Chris, I see there are some people making it big with it. I decided I would get to know it by earning it only by writing on a blog (steemit) and getting paid in crypto so I can see how things work with it and maybe exchange one day into some of the other big currencies and see where things go! But like you said the opportunity is there which is why it wouldn't hurt for people to get to know it cause it's not going away if anything it could cause problems with our current currencies.
ReplyDeleteI guess the key would be get as much as you can out of it now. If we actually enter into the tribulation, I think that we as Christians would recognize the antichrist and it would be our signal to get out and reinvest into hard currency’s, such as real estate, food, and so on.
ReplyDeleteI agree Brandon. We can indulge in crypto currency as you say because we don’t know when it will take the place, if at all, of our dollars.
ReplyDeleteChris, you read my mind, which isn’t hard to do. :-) LOL Brandon and I have talked about this and presently I am investing in real estate, food stores, farming equipment, Infrastructure improvements that is off the grid, etc. at the same time, I am investing into my retirement in different ways. As Brandon said, we can’t put all our eggs in on basket.
ReplyDeleteHey Tim, on the outside chance there isn’t a pre-trib rapture, what are your plans to survive? Have you any thought about it?
ReplyDeleteKeith, I do not believe in your or in any church End-Time doctrines. Those are futile speculations, it only shows up their ignorance concerning the Scriptures.
ReplyDeleteAs I have said, those end-time doctrines which you, perhaps all of you promote are Catholic antichrist doctrines. They are designed to take away the light which exposes the antichrist and projects him and his church into a future time, also called ‘futuristic doctrines’.
Just pause for a moment, if those speculation would be true, then the book of Revelation would have been NO Revelation to ALL the believers, to those who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ throughout the last two thousand years and they would have been blind and walked in darkness and had NO benefit concerning Revelation.
No my friend, those doctrines are NOT true ! just like the Scriptures said, (Revelation 12:9 SATAN, the devil deceives the whole WORLD. And 2 Thessalonians 2:11 God sent a strong delusion to believe the LIE).
Well, simply, because they do NOT love the truth which is the Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6).
Keith
ReplyDeleteSimply put, I trust in God getting me through. Just as you said we're at least promised not to be hurt by any if it...one way or another. Now that is different from a national tragedy that does not happen in a tribulation. But I have the same answer. Jesus promised me life abundant and he will be there in my time of need.
Paul, that is the most respectable answer I have heard from you. I was hoping for more opinion. How did you think things will end? I know it will be all speculation but having an opinion is not a single so it's ok to tell us.
ReplyDeleteI think this conversation raises a lot of points that we should all consider is do you know for sure that you will be raptured before the tribulation? Are you ok with being wrong and then what? What if tomorrow national disaster takes place food supplies are stopped power is out, the things we take for granted compromised? As I read the Bible I see God raising people in a system different then ours a system where you weren't as dependent on systems outside of your control someone who survived as a way of living I also see a common model through out the scriptures of man preparing for judgment preparing for famines. We are lazy Americans dependent on a corrupt system that has dulled us to survival which was basic everyday life if we aren't watching the signs of the times as commanded to and noticing an increase in risk to all that we depemd on today to survive what then? If we don't take the time today to start investing in knowledge, tools, future currencies, land, alternate energy solutions, self sufficient (God dependent) living then nothing happens at least you were ready if something did! Think about Noah building an ark, Joseph storing up food, Lot commanded to leave his home and head for the hills. My opinion take it with a grain of salt...
ReplyDeletePaul, I think that we need to take a step back and define a couple of terms. First of all, a doctrine is a position based on a collection of beliefs or facts, found in the Bible. People come to different conclusions or doctrines, but they are all based on biblical fact. That is what we’re discussing here.
ReplyDeleteFact#1: Jesus said there will be an end time.
Fact#2: Paul said that in these end times, there will be a man of perdition, a man of lawlessness.
Fact#3:In Revelation, John tells us that we will not be able to buy or sell unless we take the mark of the beast.
These are biblical facts. Period. Are you telling me you want to tell us that you are denying or refusing to believe the facts that are in the Bible?
Keith, the word “fact” is not a biblical word. According to the Lord and His Word, there is only the TRUTH and a LIE and nothing in between.
ReplyDeleteThe word “fact” supposed to mean ‘something which is verifiable by all without bias’. But that is nearly impossible, otherwise we would not argue about so called ‘facts’.
Doctrines are NOT facts, doctrines are teachings, either TRUE or FALSE and nothing in between.
A doctrine may NOT be understood because of lack of information and knowledge and such incomplete teachings should NOT be taught, and neither should such a one present himself as a teacher.
That works both ways, in the spiritual and in the natural.
And NO my friend, your doctrines (teachings) are NOT based on biblical facts. As I have said, they are based on the Catholic antichrist teachings which were made up about two thousand years ago by the Catholic church.
As it is, you are adding and rearranging teachings which are NOT true, therefore whatever you add, you are adding to a LIE.
Look my friend, even if I would explain to you the book of Revelation, it will be IMPOSSIBLE for you to understand.
Why ? Because you cannot add to a lie and end up with the TRUTH.
You need to start at the beginning.
The first step first my friend.
First you need to REPENT from ALL your religious stuff.
Throw the whole lot into the rubbish bin, for it is NOT true and you cannot build on that.
After you have repented you need to call on the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ and then you shall be saved.
Do NOT call superficially, but in faith and call on the Lord Jesus Christ till He manifests Himself to you. From then on you will be told the truth by the Lord Jesus Christ just as He has told me.
I do not lie, but I’m telling you the truth and there is NO other way, NO back door, NO side door, but only the narrow front door and the Lord Jesus said that He is the front door and any man has to enter by Him.
Do NOT listen to your disciples, for they do not know the truth, they will only tell you the things you like to hear and that profits you nothing.
You will NEVER ever understand the book of Revelation till you believe and know that Jesus Christ is the Lord God the Almighty.
Paul whether you want to debate about The word fact that you deliberately running around the point that was being made. You went on this whole thing about truth well what Kieth said was facts is from the Scriptures do you believe that what Jesus said and what Paul said about the end times is truth. Or are you going to tell me that the Catholics tainted those parts of the Scriptures and that you hold the real part of the Scriptures I'm confused.
ReplyDeleteSo, Paul, I take your answer is, yes, you are denying that the Bible says that,
ReplyDeleteFact#1: Jesus said there will be an end time.
Fact#2: Paul said that in these end times, there will be a man of perdition, a man of lawlessness.
Fact#3:In Revelation, John tells us that we will not be able to buy or sell unless we take the mark of the beast.
Well, my friend, please look at Matthew 24, 1Thessolonians 2 and Revelation 13.
If you deny the truth of the scriptures, you deny the Messiah.
Really?????? We're debating the difference between fact and truth. Any moron knows that they are the same thing. Why do you even put up with Paul? He is deliberately being contrary and divisive. Either he's an idiot or he's acting the part very well. Either way, I won't engage him anymore until he stops being so stupid.
ReplyDeleteTim, you said to Keith that you'll rely on Jesus during times of disasters and/or tribulation. Tell me that you are not one of those people who will sit on their roof during a raging storm and/or flood and wave off rescuers saying, the Lord will save me. Isn't there plenty of examples where God tells us to prepare ourselves for disaster and/or tribulation? ie Joseph and the famine, Noah and the flood? Jesus tells the elect not to go back home, when they see the signs occurring. He tells to them to head for the hills. I don't mean to sound offensive, but c'mon dude.
ReplyDeleteBrandon and Keith, I just read your last comments about preparing for a natural disaster. Preppers get a bad rap but we will be able to carry on God's work after the dust settles.
ReplyDeleteHey Chris, Not that I'm defending Paul's position, but English is a second language, for him. He is from a German family, that moved to Australia. I am hoping that he is just ignorant of the exact meaning of these words. He does come across as a uncivil and mean person, at times. Even though he says that he is well versed, in the Bible, you can tell that he is clearly mislead and doesn't take the Bible seriously. My hope is that he will open his heart to the Spirit of God and come to the truth. Satan has a good hold of him. Pray for him.
ReplyDeleteAs for Tim's End-Time position, I'll let him defend it, even though I'm not in total agreement with him.
Yes, Brandon, my son in law, are preppers. We are preparing for natural or national disasters or End Times, whichever comes first. My position has always been that God protects by guiding us rather than the supernatural protection, that Tim is talking about, even though God will, at times, protect us supernaturally. I'll be prepared for both.
I honestly think that we need to be somewhere in between. Being prepared for what the world throws at us and having faith that God will get us through. That would be the right position.
ReplyDeleteGreat Point, William! I totally agree!
ReplyDeleteBTW...If you didn't know, Tim has three blogs, Christian Thoughts, Bible Lessons and Conservative Papers. He just posted a new entry at:
ReplyDeleteLiberalism has killed the Millennials (and they don't even know it)
See you there.
Keith, you call that a fact,
ReplyDelete“Fact#1: Jesus said there will be an end time.
Fact#2: Paul said that in these end times, there will be a man of perdition, a man of lawlessness.
Fact#3:In Revelation, John tells us that we will not be able to buy or sell unless we take the mark of the beast.”
I call that YOUR statement.
As I have said, the written Word of God is true and not someone’s statement or interpretation or doctrine.
My Bible does not say that !
I suggest that you read and quote the Word of God, Mat. 24, 2 Thes. 2, and Rev. 13, and call that the truth.
That's what every Christian Bible says. Here you go. I know that you don't like to read the Bible for what it actually says. But here it is.
ReplyDeleteAnd this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. Matthew 24:14
Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God. 2 Thessalonians 2
It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name. Rev 13
Hi Keith, we are in Ireland now and finally fixed up with internet on my computer. I agree totally with what you are saying here and what came straight to my mind as you mentioned looking to the Bible for truth was what my dad used to say when my siblings and myself used to argue and say 'Dad, dad who is right?'. He used to say 'Let's see what the Lord says', and look into the scriptures. The TRUTH is written there.
ReplyDeleteHi Brenda, It's good to see that your move to Ireland was successful. I'm glad that you are safe. I always enjoy what your dad had said to you. I like it and totally agree with you and him.
ReplyDeleteChris,
ReplyDeleteHaha, no, I won't be sitting on the roof. That was a good one. But I rely upon the promise of God that if something would happen that no matter what I do, He will stand with me and help me through it. And as Keith said, if the apocalypse happens in my lifetime, which I am betting on, then another promise is that we will not go through the trials during the tribulation.
There may be plenty of examples for people like Noah and Joseph but there is also scripture that tells us not to worry about such things. It also says that we should be good stewards but not hoarders. I don't think preppers are wrong in what they do, per se. If someone is prepping then that is ok. I have faith that He may want me for other things and I have faith that He will take care of me, one way or another.
The elect as I have mentioned before is the Jewish nation. They are warned because they are not the church and will not be raptured. They will see the tribulation. Notice how many Jewish references there are in that passage.
Paul,
ReplyDeleteJust when I thought you had some validity you go and say something that dumb.
Jesus stated there will be an end. Matthew 24:3 says it. That is a fact. But, playing your game, since Jesus said it then it it truth. Keith didn't make that up. It is written. You said it wasn't written in your Bible and then told him to read the exact same passage (Matthew 24).
Paul (Saul) said there will be a man of lawlessness. That is a fact. But, playing your game, since an Apostle said it being led by the Spirit then it is truth. You said it was written in your Bible and then you told him to read the exact same passage (2 Thess 2)
Revelation says there will be no buying or selling without the mark. That is fact. But, playing your game, since it is a Revelation from Jesus Christ, that makes it truth. You said it wasn't in your Bible and then you told him to read the exact same passage (Rev 13).
Do you see how insane that sounds? Do you see how/why he says you have a demon? Because you are quoting scripture (and don't say you don't...you just told him to do it too anyway) and then not saying what it actually states (fact) and then distort it (truth).
Seriously, what is wrong with you?
By the way I asked a few of my colleagues about bitcoin. One "millennial" said it was good because you can get rich off of it. Imagine that...
ReplyDeleteNo one sees a problem with this? It is invisible currency right, like credits. And what if the EMP hits, what happens to all of these digital readings.
Isn't that exactly the kind of thing the anti-Christ would use? And if we use it, isn't that sort of like taking the mark? Or if it is not but we still use it, isn't that like giving power to the beast? I don't get the positive aspect of this.
Tim,
ReplyDeleteI see a lot of problems with it. If it becomes more widely used it has the ability to crash the US dollar or take place during a crash and with the vulnerability of our economy there is a large probability.
As far as emp your more likely to loose all your money you have in the bank and in stock than in cryptocurrency as the blockchain is all over the world stored on thousands of servers. Which this is why you are right it would fit perfectly as a currency the antichrist would use.
If you use crypto and are still freely promoting the belief of Jesus your obviously not receiving the mark, the moment you can't profess your beliefs that would be the warning or because I hold some of this currency and all over social media my beliefs are recorded my number hasn't been turned off so id say no mark yet!
I see your point about giving power to the beast but do we know what the beast is and how to give power to it, wouldn't sin give power to the beast also? Are we sinless? Don't think my response is to support crypto I don't like the idea of crypto either, but ide like to be wise in understanding the changing of the times being sent out as a sheep amongst wolves being wise as serpents but harmless as a dove!
LOL Tim. I was hoping that you didn't take my kidding to heart. I think both faith in God and being prepared will be required. Prepare the best that you can and rely on God to get you through. We'll have to agree to disagree as to the identity of the elect.
ReplyDeleteTim and Brandon, Is crypto bad? No, but as we have said already, use it now, but be ready to get out and invest in other types of real currency, such as real estate, food stores and so on.
ReplyDeleteTim, I have to disagree, as to the identity of the elect. Take a look at the following verses and tell me who Paul had in mind, when he used the word, "Elect".
ReplyDeleteTherefore, as God’s elect, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. Col 3:12
Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 2 Tim 2:10
Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness. Tit 1:1
Keith,
ReplyDeleteI can't disagree but I can add food for thought. Notice who said it and when. Jesus said it before the church was created, Paul said it after the church was created. I could be wrong but I think that adds to what it means.
Keith, as a representative of the Scriptures and it’s author I do know what the Bible said.
ReplyDeleteOK, THAT is the truth ! Matthew 24:14 “And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.”
And NOT what you said, “Fact#1: Jesus said there will be an end time.”
There is a BIG difference between what you say and what the Bible said, and I believe the Bible.
The truth is, 2 Thes. 2:1-4, “Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.”
Your fact, which is NOT the truth is, “Fact#2: Paul said that in these end times, there will be a man of perdition, a man of lawlessness.”
Again, 2 Thes. 2:1-4 is the truth and not that which you call fact. Just compare the two, there is a BIG difference and I believe in the Bible and not in man's fluctuating facts.
And Revelation 13:16-17 “And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.”
Your fact is, “Fact#3:In Revelation, John tells us that we will not be able to buy or sell unless we take the mark of the beast.”
That is your fact or your statement.
Compare the two. There is a BIG difference between the truth and your so-called fact.
I believe the Bible.
That is exactly how every cult has started.
Their guru, leader, pastor or pope cooked up a wild end-time doctrine just like you and then he gathered around himself some gullible disciples who believe his lies.
And of course anyone else who oppose them, they literally and metaphorically cut them to pieces.
That’s what you get when you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Well Tim, just read your own comments and think about what you are saying, if that would be remotely possible.
ReplyDeleteThe Lord Jesus said, “I praise You O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants.”
You said, “Do you see how insane that sounds? Do you see how/why he says you have a demon?”
ALL the religious hypocrites said the same to the Lord Jesus Christ.
John 8:52 Those religious hypocrites said to the Lord Jesus Christ, “Now we know that you have a demon.”
Tell me, if those hypocrites said that to my Lord and my Father who is in heaven, what do you think would those HYPOCRITES say to His ambassador ?
My Father made it very clear that if you have said that to the least of one of Mine, you have said it to Me.
Anyone else sticking their finger up to their lips and wiggling them fast right now? blblblllllllbbbl?
ReplyDeletePaul,
Are you serious? Keith could have quoted the whole passage to make his point. All he did was shortened it into a concept. Jesus said all of that in Matthew, no one disputes that. And that is the truth since it is written. But all Keith did was paraphrase the main idea. The same with the other two passages.
But for the sake of your game, please tell us the difference. What is Keith saying and what is the Bible saying? Please tell us. It is your duty as an ambassador to teach us. If you don't teach us this verse then you fail as an ambassador and Jesus will hate you.
Yes, I agree, Tim. blblblllllllbbbl
ReplyDeleteYes, Paul, Teach us, o'great one. Please. tell us the difference between what I wrote and what the Bible says, in those verses.
Tim, That's why I believe that if you combine all the verses, the elect are those who believe, both Jew and Gentile. We'll find out. The whole point is to be prepared and trust in the Lord.
ReplyDeleteKeith,
ReplyDeleteI can agree with completely. But, when Jesus is speaking of the elect before the Church then He must be talking about the Jewish nation. They would not have known about the church at that point. They would have really questioned Him on that one.
I do agree as the big picture it is both, but His audience at the time were Jews. Ehh...my opinion, but I am sticking to it.
I think my head is about to explode. It's one thing to debate with someone who presents a logical counterpoint. I may not agree, but I can respect. But, how do you debate someone who is constantly changing his position, says nonsensical things and then says that you can only understand the nonsense if you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, in the way he does? Isn't it amazing how we can understand the parables and teachings of Christ, but fail to understand the idiocy of Paul, his "ambassador"? Something smells really bad in that diaper.
ReplyDeletewell said Chris!
ReplyDeleteWhen looking at the scritpures I don’t see much support in a rapture. I do see resurrections. But as for what the common beliefs of a rapture before a tribulation is a teaching believers will be taken up before and or mid way through the tribulation which then means we return and reign for a 1000 years which I also don’t see much support in the scriptures.
ReplyDeleteMat 24:37 because just as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be when the Son of Man comes.
Mat 24:38 In those days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage right up to the day when Noah went into the ark.
Mat 24:39 They were unaware of what was happening until the flood came and swept all of them away. That's how it will be when the Son of Man comes.
Mat 24:40 At that time two people will be in the field. One will be taken, and one will be left behind.
Mat 24:41 Two women will be grinding grain at the mill. One will be taken, and one will be left behind.
Looking at this passage who is swept away in the flood, the righteous or the unrightous?
The Unrightous…
Jesus then compares that to the end time. If hes comparing who should be taken and whos left behind?
Unrighteous taken, righteous left behind.
That is also supported in this parable
Mathew 13:24-30
Which Jesus expounds on 36-43
Mat 13:36 Then Jesus left the crowds and went into the house. His disciples came to him and asked, "Explain to us the parable about the weeds in the field."
Mat 13:37 He answered, "The person who sowed good seed is the Son of Man,
Mat 13:38 while the field is the world. The good seed are those who belong to the kingdom, while the weeds are those who belong to the evil one.
Mat 13:39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.
Mat 13:40 Just as weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so it will be at end of the age.
Mat 13:41 The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather from his kingdom everything that causes others to sin and those who practice lawlessness
Mat 13:42 and they will throw them into a blazing furnace. In that place there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in their Father's kingdom. Let the person who has ears listen!"
So again the righteous remain the evil are taken away
Luk 17:28 So it was in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building.
Luk 17:29 But on the day when Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed all of them.
Luk 17:30 The day when the Son of Man is revealed will be like that.
Pro 10:29 The way of Jehovah is a stronghold to the upright; But it is a destruction to the workers of iniquity.
Pro 10:30 The righteous shall never be removed; But the wicked shall not dwell in the land.
It seems that beleivers will be safe from God's wrath through the tribulation but not taken out of it that does not mean that we are safe from mans wrath during that time so a mentality of preparation would suit the individual believer who expects to enter into the time period.
Brandon,
ReplyDeleteI have heard that before. I really liked it when I heard it because it was a different take on it all. I said this earlier I think, if we see though Revelation the church is not mentioned for a while during all the plagues, signs, and bowls of God's wrath, then after all that we are mentioned again. To me, that says a lot.
About man's wrath, "No weapon formed against me shall prosper", And "do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul."
Each way we look at it, both views will be supported, except the way Paul is looking at it that is.
Tim, Who would you say are the Holy Ones, the Saints?
ReplyDeleteAll the ones considered righteous would be my first answer without looking in to it.
ReplyDeleteWould it be fair to say that the Saints, the Holy Ones, are those who believe? Doesn't the Church consist of only believers? Are the Holy Ones in Jude, the same as in Daniel 7? Wouldn't say that the text in Daniel and in Revelation sound eerily consistent?
ReplyDeleteChris, Yes, my head feels like it's going to explode, especially after his last answer. LOL
ReplyDeleteHey everyone, First of all, I think it's incredible that everyone is cordial and very logical, in their arguments. Thank You!!! Praise God!
ReplyDeleteTim, You used pre-ascension scripture reference to prove your church position. By your own words, those apply to the Jews only. :-) Just messing with you, but do you see my point?
ReplyDeleteHigh Keith,
ReplyDeletefor some reason your live traffic feed is showing my blog as coming from Eastleigh Hampshire, which is not where I am from. Would you know why this is happening?
Hi Brenda. I have wondered the same thing myself. It comes down to where your Internet service providers host server is located.
ReplyDeleteBelieve it or not, there are almost 1,000,000,000 host servers worldwide.
Ahh, I think it has only been happening since we moved to Ireland. That is technology for you:-). Never mind, you know now when I am visiting your blog, but from Ireland - not Hampshire.
ReplyDeleteHi Brenda, if you renew your IP address, you might get a new host location that is closer to where you live.
ReplyDeleteHi, thank you Chris. I am not sure how to do that, I am not very good on technology. I shall ask my son to do it for me I think. Not to worry too much though, the main thing is that I will be able soon to get back to posting - something to share forming in my life at the moment.
DeleteSorry all, I have been a little under the weather for lack of better words.
ReplyDeleteKeith,
I know what you mean but it is a little different from what you are saying. I am not saying the timing is the only criteria. Would the Jews know what the elect was? They knew the sabbath. They knew there would be an end times. They knew about felling to the mountains. He mentioned the Christ. We know the Christ, they are still looking for him. The elect are "gathered", Jews will be gathered. Then in the next few verses he talks about the fig tree (a symbol of Israel). My point was that all he was saying points to the Jews in this passage. They did know the church. They did not know the gentiles being saved. Paul did. So when he uses the term elect we have have been grafted in at that point.
If you are interested, the new post is:
ReplyDeleteAre Ghosts Real? How About Spirits And Souls? Can Christians Be Possessed?
I am glad you are feeling better. I agree with you, Tim, for the most part. To answer you concerning Jews knowing about the elect, check out the following Isaiah scriptures.
ReplyDeleteIsa 42:1
Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
Isa 45:4
For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
Isa 65:9
And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.
Genesis 17:23-27 Jew and Gentiles Were Included In The Abrahamic Covenant
ReplyDeleteWhy do you continue to choose to have your portion with the "we(those of this evil world and/or religion's way)" in this day and age?
ReplyDeleteMost who have a love for their own self("I",ego,id,pride)life in this day and age are of the perverse and/or religion's way!
"Come out of her(babel/'con'fusion/babylon\world\religion), MY people!
Elderchild, I agree with you that most have a love for their own self. There are even those who go around and preach Biblical words in a nonsensical manner. These type of people need to come our of their self imposed babel/'con'fusion/babylon\world\religion and come to God, our savior.
ReplyDeleteVery good and applicable comment, Thanks!
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