Thursday, August 24, 2017

Nehushtan: The Sin Of The Asherah Poles

Did you know that many Christians do not realize that they are guilty of the sin, known as Nehushtan, within the Jewish community ?

First a little background.

In the book of Bamidbar, Numbers, we find the story of when many Israelites were dying, because the sting of a serpent. As an interesting sidenote, the Hebrew rendering has them as flying fiery serpents.  Most scholars and Jewish and Christian scientists now believe they were the now extinct pterosaur, but that's another blog entry.

In this story, God tells Moses to set up a Pole, with a Brass Serpent on it. God told Moses and the Israelites that whoever looked upon it would not die. Bottom line: The serpent on the pole did not save them, but their faith, in what God said, did. As a side note, please keep in mind, that it has always been taught that the serpent represented their sin and the brass was judgement. Together, they are judged sin.


Fast forward to the time of Hezekiah, as documented in 2 Kings 18, we find that long after the Moses Serpent on the Staff incident, the Jews were not only still worshipping the original Serpent on the Staff, they were also erecting duplicates of the Serpent on the Staff and worshiping them. They were known as Asherah Poles. In obedience to YHWH, Hezekiah removed all the Asherah Poles.

Now, fast forward to the time of Y'shua, Jesus, specifically his conversation with Nicodemus, in John 3. Y'shua strangely mentions the Serpent on the Pole, as an old testament reference to his soon to be sacrifice. Why?

First and foremost, as a metaphoric reference/prophecy of a future pole sacrifice, with the judged sin of mankind upon it.

Second, so we would not make the same mistake that the Jews did and raise the Serpent (Judged Sin) on the Pole (Cross) higher than YHWH. 

Now, fast forward to today, look at the majority of modern day Christianity. They have taken the Cross with God's Son, who became our sin judged and raised him higher than God, himself. Yes, because of Y'shua's obedient unto death, he was elevated to be equal standing with God, becoming heir to the throne of David. However, there is rarely any reference to YHWH, our Father, within many Christian churchs. It all Jesus. Again, he has that God -Given priveledge to be worshipped, but not to the exclusion of his Father, our Father, who is in Heaven. The One and Only God.

That is Nehushtan: The Sin Of The Asherah Poles. Raising Y'shua, Jesus, higher than God himself, sometimes even eliminating God.

Are you guilty? 

...and that's what you'll find, When You Search For The Truth.

290 comments:

  1. Wow my friend, that is a nice man made doctrine.
    I hope that you don’t think it is true or biblical.
    It really takes a wild imagination to cook up such a perverted doctrine.

    Well I’m nearly speechless.
    What can I say ? and where will I start ? :-)

    Perhaps someone else likes to have a comment first.

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  2. Very well done! I like how you logically tied it together, completely from the Bible, with no external sources. If you step back, You can see this occurring, within the a lot of churches, where they have deified Christ to the exclusion of the Father. I've been in churches where they don't pray to the Father at all.

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  3. I could not agree with you more Keith. What you have written is one hundred percent truth according to scripture, and also what you say regarding how the churches pray. Y'shua Himself said 'you will ask the Father in my name' John ch 16 v. 23.

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  4. By the way:-
    it is nice to see that the truth causes Paul to be 'nearly speechless'.
    We are getting there! Hallelujah !

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  5. Well written and scriptural. So instead of a cross hanging behind the pulpit it's better off a burning bush!

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  6. All right Paul, prove your statement by the truth of the Scriptures. What you have stated are your feelings not scriptural truth.

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  7. Thanks, William. Praise be to God! I'm a firm believer that you can't help but be logical when you reason with the truth of the scriptures.

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  8. Thanks, Brenda! Isn't amazing how God's Spirit anticipated all false doctrine, when he inspired the writing of the scriptures? Paul being speechless reminded me of when Y'shua fought Satan with the powerful sword of God's Word.

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  9. Thanks, Brandon! I like the way you think. I also like the idea of just having God's Word, behind the pulpit.

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  10. Well well well ! surely you are very good in congratulating one another for your unbelief in Jesus Christ the Lord and in your own man made doctrines.

    Is it that you love the praises of men rather than the praise that comes from God ?

    Keith, in this post you have explained your own made up doctrine with only two Bible Scripture references (2 Kings 18 and John 3,). And then you accuse me ‘to be guilty of the sin of the Nehushtan.

    Have you ever thought that the Lord Jesus Christ might talk to you about burning incense to those false gods just like Israel did ?

    Hezekiah was a man of God who would NOT believe in your false gods called Yahweh or Jehovah or Allah etc. NO ! he believed in the LORD, just as the Scriptures said (2 Kings 8:6).

    Hezekiah didn’t know the Name of the Lord because in his days the Name of God had NOT been given and nobody knew the only Name of God which is JESUS who is the Christ.

    Well, it has escaped you that Hezekiah believed in the same God as I do and he condemned your gods just the same as I do.

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  11. Paul, your so big on Jesus being the only name given by which God can be known or identified but the letter J didn't even exist in his name, so you should go back and research your God's real name and you might find some startling eveidnce that leads you to the God who you keep saying Keith is referencing (YHWH) which you are equating to the name of allah or other gods! It seems that some here have reverence for What we can understand Gods name is through some study in ancient languages that the scriptures were originally written in. Your better off calling him Joshua cause that's what it would be in the English today...
    If you would though please stop accusing people of things that you have no right accusing them of and just agree to disagree And if you choose to stick around stop declaring everyone as unbelievers and worshippers of false gods and teachers of false doctrines, it's time to stop that and either join us in discussion leaving out an attitude of superiority but having a passion to share your views in the scriptures with love and let God do the judging and convicting in a persons heart not you. If you disagree Paul out some passages that show someone where they are wrong and if they don't agree well then leave it in Gods hands, trust him to take care of the dirty work your failing to do for him.

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  12. Hi Brandon, you said, “If you disagree Paul out some passages that show someone where they are wrong and if they don't agree well then leave it in Gods hands, trust him to take care of the dirty work your failing to do for him.”

    Who told you to instruct me what to say and what to do ?
    Are you my Lord ?

    Do you know what an ambassador or a representative is ?

    Just so that you know; an ambassador is someone who represents His King and the Kingdom of his King, and he does not need to be instructed by a foreigner who does not believe in his King.

    Concerning my King:
    King Jesus, He is not just a King, He is the KING of every other King and the LORD of every other Lord (Revelation 19:16).
    He is the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last and beside Him is NO OTHER God !
    He is the creator of all things and NOTHING came into being apart from Him and whosoever does NOT believe in Him alone will perish.

    Therefore salvation is also for you Brandon, you need to repent of your wicked ways, and repent from believing in your false gods who cannot save and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ alone and then you shall be saved.



    You said, “Paul, your so big on Jesus being the only name given by which God can be known or identified but the letter J didn't even exist in his name, so you should go back and research your God's real name and you might find some startling evidence that leads you to the God who you keep saying Keith is referencing (YHWH) which you are equating to the name of allah or other gods!”

    You see Brandon, if you would believe that the BIBLE is the Word of God, then you would believe that God’s Name is JESUS, written with a ‘J’.
    Just read the Bible !
    When those who blaspheme God’s one and only Name Jesus, they blaspheme Him with a ‘J’ Jesus Christ.
    YHWH is NOT a Name. YHWH are four letters which the Lord Jesus Christ gave to Moses so that he could NOT pronounce His Name which was to be revealed at a later time.
    Remember, Jesus said that Moses wrote about Me (John 5:46).

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  13. Paul, Actually, there are three references, Numbers, 2Kings and John. Alll three are applicable to the point made. Not only was the Sin of Nehushtan taught at the time and Y'shua was referenced it, the actual word shows up in 2Kings. So, once again, instead of telling us how you feel, let's try and stick to what the scriptures actually say.

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  14. Paul,
    I will play your game one more time because if I remember right...oh yeah you never answered me.

    If no one knew the name of God then explain all of these:
    Genesis 4:26
    Genesis 12:8
    Genesis 13:4
    Genesis 21:33
    Genesis 26:25
    Exodus 3:15
    Exodus 20:7, Leviticus 18:21, 19:12, 24:16, Deuteronomy 5:11
    Deuteronomy 10:8

    This is just to name a few. The phrase "name of the Lord" is written 200 times in scripture. And only about 30 of those are NT. So, please, tell us all

    HOW CAN THEY CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD? HOW CAN THEY PROFANE THE NAME OF THE LORD? HOW CAN THEY WORSHIP THE NAME OF THE LORD? HOW CAN THEY FIGHT IN THE NAME OF THE LORD (DAVID)? HOW CAN THEY BE BLESSED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD?

    How can all of that happen IF THEY DID NOT KNOW THE NAME OF THE LORD?

    Now, I am not disagreeing with you that Jesus is the Lord. But Jesus is just His earthly name given to Him at birth that means God saves. His name was then lifted above all names so that we now have a name for our savior. He is God. But the OT clearly....CLEARLY states that they knew His name. 150-170 times Paul. Almost as many times as you have asked us that ridiculous question. Yet, you won't answer this one for us.

    If they didn't know His name then how did they do that Paul? HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW




    HOW???????????????????????????????????????

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  15. Paul,
    Who told you to instruct me what to say and what to do ?

    No one needed to tell me whether I could or couldn't it's exactly what you have been doing to all of us here on this blog instructing us on what we should be doing and what we should be believing. So I was more likely making a request that you spend more time trusting God to convict us of our own sin and stop preaching the same thing that we keep hearing from you. It's quite obvious that we all disagree with you and your doctrines to a certain degree, we know what you believe.

    Are you my Lord ?

    I don't have to be your Lord to request things from you.

    Do you know what an ambassador or a representative is ?

    a person who acts as a representative or promoter of a specified activity.




    Concerning my King:King Jesus, He is not just a King, He is the KING of every other King and the LORD of every other Lord (Revelation 19:16).
    He is the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last and beside Him is NO OTHER God !
    He is the creator of all things and NOTHING came into being apart from Him and whosoever does NOT believe in Him alone will perish.

    See this I do not disagree with.

    Therefore salvation is also for you Brandon, you need to repent of your wicked ways, and repent from believing in your false gods who cannot save and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ alone and then you shall be saved.

    See and this is where you always go wrong thinking you know the condition of everybody's salvation in this blog. You don't have the authority and nowhere does scripture give you the authority to declare whether a person is saved or not.

    You see Brandon, if you would believe that the BIBLE is the Word of God, then you would believe that God’s Name is JESUS, written with a ‘J’.
    Just read the Bible !
    When those who blaspheme God’s one and only Name Jesus, they blaspheme Him with a ‘J’ Jesus Christ. YHWH is NOT a Name. YHWH are four letters which the Lord Jesus Christ gave to Moses so that he could NOT pronounce His Name which was to be revealed at a later time.

    I do believe in the Bible and that it is the word of God. It's just that you seem to stop short of really wanting to know who your God is by not realizing that English did not exist the time that he walked the earth so no Jesus was not his name through a bunch of messed up English translating we now have the name Jesus. That's all I was asking was it if you respect and reverence you're Godso much then you should look into what his actual name is in his original language it leads to so much other evidence of who he is! But you do this for circle rhetoric which Tim has enacted so well in a previous comment.

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  16. Keith, going back to your actual post. You and I must have been raised differently somehow. I don't see churches doing this. I don't see the ones I have been part of raising Jesus above the Father. I do see many using the cross almost as an icon. We preach the message of the cross but I don't see us raising Jesus above the Father. I am sure some do (wink wink).

    The name of Jesus is above every name but he is equal to the Father, nothing more and nothing less.

    I always thought you and I had the same background but the more I read from you about what you see the less I am inclined to think we do.

    Am I blind to what is happening in churches or are you saying "many" churches do it as opposed to the Church?

    In all essence I agree with the issue though. I have a few lessons about metaphorical asherah poles in our lives so I do see what you're saying about the issue.

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  17. Keith, I preach the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ and that does NOT depend on how I feel.

    What do you think the creator of heaven and earth feels when His bride plays the harlot just like Israel did and burned incense to other gods like Jehovah, Yahweh, Baal, Allah, Buddha and whatever other gods they and most churches having an affair with ?
    Do you think that my Lord the Lord Jesus Christ is pleased with that ?

    Remember all Israel always played the harlot and the Lord Jesus Christ destroyed them all in the desert, save Joshua and Caleb.
    Even though He warned them through the mouth of His holy Prophets, but they did NOT heed and neither did they turn from their wicked ways but they still are building themselves churches (Asherah’s) and place the serpent (devil) as their object of worship.
    They even profane the Holy Name Jesus as they pray THROUGH the Name Jesus to their god the serpent which is the devil.
    What do you think that the Lord Jesus Christ will do to all of them ?

    Well my friend, His Word the Bible will tell you what He will do to all of them.


    But then again, He said, ‘Today is the day of salvation, do not harden your heart as they did in the wilderness’.
    Can you see the importance for all of you to repent of ALL your false gods and then lift up the Lord Jesus Christ alone and worship Him alone in spirit and in truth and NOT the serpent.

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  18. Tim, I do NOT play games.
    The salvation of a man is far more important than playing games.

    You see, you cannot walk on both side of the road (so to speak).
    The Lord Jesus Christ said, ‘he who is not for Me is against Me, and He wished that you were HOT or COLD, but if you are lukewarm He will spew you out of His mouth.

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  19. Brandon, you said, “No one needed to tell me whether I could or couldn't”

    That is your statement.
    I did not make a statement, I have asked you a question, “Who told you to instruct me what to say and what to do ?
    Are you my Lord ?
    Now, if you read your previous comment then you will see your instructions for me.

    You said, “See and this is where you always go wrong thinking you know the condition of everybody's salvation in this blog. You don't have the authority and nowhere does scripture give you the authority to declare whether a person is saved or not.”

    By what authority do you think that I am speaking ?

    Am I your Lord ? certainly NOT !



    You said, “I do believe in the Bible and that it is the word of God.”

    Obviously you don’t !
    Just like Keith and everyone else you are adding, introducing and including extra biblical texts and names to the Bible and accept them to be equal and inclusive to the Bible.

    As for me, I claim that the Bible is the ONLY one book compiled of 66 books which is the complete written Word of God.

    Now, when the Bible said that the Name of God is JESUS, then the Name of God is NOT Yahweh, Jehovah or Y’shua, or any other name.
    And calling God by any other NAME is transgressing the Word of God the Bible, “Acts 4:12) for there is NO other Name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”


    You said, “It's just that you seem to stop short of really wanting to know who your God is by not realizing that English did not exist the time that he walked the earth so no Jesus was not his name through a bunch of messed up English translating we now have the name Jesus.”

    Can you see what I mean ?
    Systematically you are undermining the Word of God which is the Bible and deny the ONLY Name of God which is JESUS.

    What do you want me to say to you ?
    Would you like me to repeat the charges from the Lord to you ?

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  20. Paul,

    If it's not a game then why don't you answer me?

    Every time you post to me you prove my points and validate my words. It stops me from wondering why you skip over me most of the time.

    I am saved by the blood of Jesus. By his grace I am set free. He is my Father. He is my savior. He is the Spirit that guides me.

    I know how. I can answer my question.

    I will ask again. How?

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  21. Tim, you said, “I am saved by the blood of Jesus. By his grace I am set free. He is my Father. He is my savior. He is the Spirit that guides me.”

    I am very glad to hear that. That is the sound of every true believer in the Lord Jesus Christ.
    But, why is it that I don’t believe you ?

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  22. Paul,
    Because you're blinded by your own thoughts.

    And I noticed you skipped my questions again.

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  23. Jesus is not God. He was the Son of God, born of the Spirit of God, the firstborn of many brethren, as spoken of in Romans ch. 8 vs. 28-30:-

    'And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined He also called, those He called He also justified, those He justified He also glorified.…'

    He is the One mediator between man and God, Whom God has made our Lord,enabling all to die to the flesh and become children of God by being born of the same Spirit and receive everlasting life.
    God wants all to be saved, His thoughts are for our welfare and not to harm us.

    Jesus was the last Adam, the life - giving Spirit.

    'For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.'
    1 Corinthians ch. 15 vs. 21, 22.

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  24. Brenda,

    This is where you and I would disagree. I believe Jesus is God. He is the creator. Nothing that was made was made without Him. In Genesis when it says "in the beginning God created", it is talking about Jesus. The phrase in the beginning in its original Hebrew language is "b'rsheet". The first letter is the letter "bet" which means house. The second letter is "resh" which means head. Together they spell the word "bar" which means son. When you put it all together The Son is the Head of the House. And what did the head of the house do? He created it all. John said, in the beginning He was with God and He was God. Jesus has always been here in Spirit. His flesh was created. When He was born He was God already.

    Now, the FLESH of Jesus, is not God. He is God and was man. He was born of the flesh through a woman named Mary. But He was also born of the Spirit through God the Father. This makes Him 100% man and 100% God. Some would say that He was 50% each but no. He had all the qualities of man and He has all the qualities of God, therefore making Him 100% of each. I am only 50% of my mom and my dad. I am not 100% of either. I only have partial qualities of each. But Jesus is 100% both. But again, His FLESH, is not God. This is why He was able to die and be raised. And since He is 100%, He has the authority of judging us rightfully since He made the "law" and lived the "law". By His grace we are saved.

    Keep in mind, I agree with all you said above. I think we just disagree here somewhat.

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  25. Hi Tim,
    I think there are many things in the Bible that people see differently, but it is good to share what we think.

    I have always seen 1 Corinthians ch. 15 vs. 27 and 28 as revealing Who Jesus is:-
    'The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For “God has put everything under His feet.” Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this clearly does not include the One who put everything under Him. And when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will be made subject to Him Who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all.…'
    I see God as being Spirit, and Jesus as being flesh with the Spirit of God in Him. He is called the first of many brethren in Romans ch. 8 v. 29, and was given all authority by the Father, Who made Jesus our Lord. Matthew ch. 28 v. 18.
    There are so many things that could be discussed here, but it is enough to know that we are the body of Christ on earth with the mind of Christ, and each must do what each is called to do, as I am sure you are doing too.

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  26. Brenda,
    You said, "I see God as being Spirit, and Jesus as being flesh with the Spirit of God in Him."

    And that brings us back together. I am saying the same thing. Jesus as flesh was not God, but the Spirit in Him is. His flesh rules Him out as God for God is Spirit. Jesus was a man, but in that man God dwelt.

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  27. That's right Tim. Sometimes it takes discussion and time to understand one another's thoughts and beliefs,and that is good because it brings brothers and sisters in Christ closer in the Spirit.

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  28. Brenda,

    You know what is weird though? Paul, even though he won't admit it, is saying the same thing. In Jesus, God dwelt and that makes Him one. They aren't two different spiritual beings, but one. God incarnate was Jesus, in the flesh. 1 John 1 says it all. But Paul is stuck on the name of God being Jesus and not understanding that Jesus is an earthly name. There were others named Jesus, so why or how were others named Jesus if it was the name of God (before He was born) and if no one knew the name yet? He can't see that. He has become obsessed with and that causes oppression of the spirit. Then he claims we don't believe in Jesus when on the contrary we all do and we all believe He is God (in the Spirit). I think him being stuck on the name and only the name is what Keith is writing about. It has become his asherah pole. Instead of worshiping God in spirit he worships just the name of the flesh.

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  29. No Tim. I do not say the same thing as you or anyone of you. I do not have a compromise in what I am saying, otherwise I would NOT be in a debate with all of you.

    And I am NOT in opposition with those who believe ONLY in the Lord Jesus Christ, but I oppose everyone who has another god next of Jesus Christ.

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  30. Brenda, the reason that you don’t believe in the Lord Jesus Christ ALONE is, that you have ANOTHER god next of the true God Jesus Christ (1 John 5:20).
    Another god whom you call Yahweh, and for that reason you are saying that, I quote “Jesus is not God. He was the Son of God, born of the Spirit of God, the firstborn of many brethren, as spoken of in Romans ch. 8 vs. 28-30:-”

    Can you see, you are denying that Jesus is God, “Jesus is not God” just the same as the Jewish religious people said to Jesus, (John 10:33) “and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.”
    The Lord Jesus did NOT deny it, did He ?

    Your sin for NOT believing that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord God the Almighty is the same sin as the sin of unbelieving Israel.
    Instead of worshipping the Lord Jesus Christ, they worshiped the SERPENT who has been elevated above the Lord Jesus Christ.
    They lifted up the serpent instead of the Lord Jesus Christ.
    And I hope that you know who the serpent is ?

    Well, I will tell you who the serpent is, it’s the DEVIL !
    Can you see, if you do not worship the Lord Jesus Christ alone, then you are and you will worship the devil called the serpent (Revelation 12:9).

    There are only two ways, Jesus or the devil !
    Jesus the Truth, the devil a liar.
    If it is NOT Jesus, then it is the devil. And NO ! you can’t believe or serve two masters, therefore you need to make up your mind in whom you are going to believe.

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  31. You're not in a debate Paul. You only answer things you have the ability to. You never respond otherwise or else you would have answered my questions by now but you run...that's not a debate, that is called selective mutism.

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  32. Hey Tim, No, I'm still the same person. A few years ago, I began some major praying and fasting, while asking God, "Am I doing something wrong?"

    Including your church, we had been diametrically opposed to the teachings. All three churchs had leadership that were rooted in anti-Semitism. They were rooted in paganism and yes, all three churches raised Jesus above the Father. We were led to leave those churches.

    The great thing that grew out of that experience is the small group of people that cling to the actual teachings of the scriptures.

    God gave me this great responsibility of teaching that Remnant.

    You say that you know of no church that raises Jesus above the Father. I challenge to look at your own church. How many times a year does your minister teach on the Father compared to how many times does he teach on Jesus or other things? I think that you will find your answer close to home.

    Outside of that one, you and I went to a Pentecostal church that preached primarily the Holy Spirit to the exclusion of Jesus.

    I think if you think hard, you'll recoginize that it is everywhere.

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  33. Paul, no sir, you do not preach the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ and yes, you do comment based on how you feel not what is written in the Scriptures.

    You are guilty of the sin of the Asherah poles. You can try to divert it to other churches, even though that is true. You are guiltyof the sin of the Asherah Poles.

    You are correct that today is the first day of the rest of your life. You need to repent and come to the Lord and get to know him.

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  34. Brenda and Tim, I think the answer to your slight disagreement can be obtained by asking though right question.

    Is Jesus God? If I ask that way then the answer is Yes. This is due to the YHWH dwelling within him. However, if you asked the question, is Jesus fully God?, Then the answer is no.

    Anyone who truly reads for understanding, 1 Cor 15, cannot come to any other conclusion. However, it is too hard for most people to discard their prejudices and traditions and come to that conclusion.

    As for Jesus creating all things, the answer is similar. Did the man Jesus create all things? No. The Scriptures clearly show that all of creation came into being by the word of God which dwells within Jesus.

    Fully understanding the multidimensionality of God is paramount to understanding these questions.


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  35. That’s right Keith, I do NOT preach the gospel that you preach and that’s why I and the Lord Jesus Christ are in opposition to you.
    I preach the gospel of the LORD JESUS CHRIST and NOT another gospel which you preach (2 Cor. 11:3-4).
    You preach a gospel of a god who is NOT God.
    NO believer in the Lord Jesus Christ would preach a gospel of Yahweh as you do.

    As I have said and have posted in one of my posts, saying that the gospel is JESUS CHRIST preached or taught Click Here and who do you worship, the serpent on the Asherah poles or do you lift up the Lord Jesus Christ and worship only Him ?

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  36. Still skipping my questions Paul. Are you really that scared to answer?

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  37. Keith, you said, “if you asked the question, is Jesus fully God?, Then the answer is no.”

    Well Keith, even blind Freddy can see that you have a confusion in your god-economy.

    Here you say that Jesus is NOT fully God and in other comments you are saying that Jesus is 100% God.
    Keith, you can't have it both ways.

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  38. Paul, You have given us another great example that shows that you are not a real ambassador or representative of the Y'shua/Jesus of the scriptures. You cannot fathom his reality. Only those, who are of the Remnant, those who have the anointing of his Spirit can begin to fathom his existence. I have tried to explain to you, but your single dimensionality thought process leaves you wanting. In God's reality, he is has a infinite dimensionality. God wishes to truly reveal himself to you, but you resist with your allegiance to your made up doctrine. I call it an allegiance because time after time, Brenda, Tim, Brandon, William and I have show you scriptural evidence how your made up doctrine falls short. However, you unnaturally cling to it like a teen still wanting his baby blanket. Break free from ungodly doctrine and run to the God of the Scriptures and cling to the savior, that he has provided for you. I will continue to pray for you.

    Finally, why don't you answer the questions that Tim has presented to you. You are afraid that you will have to finally let go of that security blanket. Please trust the scriptures when they tell you to cling to the real Y'shua/Jesus and he will never let you go. Now is the best time to turn from your sin and unscriptural doctrine and run to the real Y'shua/Jesus.

    One last time, Y'shua is 100% God, 100% man. I have said that over and over. Once again you pick and choose from my comments, in the same way that you pick and choose from the scriptures to fit your arguments and doctrine. It's time to grow up and come home.

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  39. Keith I was thinking more about this and talking with my wife. I never knew she believed the same way I did. #theresafirst haha. But we talked about if Jesus body was God then it would never die. And if it was still here in a grave then it would become a shrine, an icon, an idol...an asherah poles. People would worship it instead. The body would become more important than the message. That is not what God wanted. Maybe perhaps that is a reason why Jesus ascended in bodily form. Then we started talking about the name of Jesus. And if we put too much emphasis on the name only it becomes just like that body.

    I will pay more attention to the sermons. And I hope I'm not being biased when I say this but the way I see it being preached is that we preach Jesus more than God the Father because of the message of salvation is through Jesus. So I don't see it as raising Jesus above God the Father I see it as just teaching the message of salvation as being the most important. But when your church is full of young Christians that still the message that they need to hear. But as you and I know unfortunately that causes the more mature Christians to search for other things out there to enhance their worship.

    But I would like to know what you mean by paganism inside the church.

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  40. Paul,
    My questions were in direct correlation to the topic and is tied to your obsession, yet you cant take 5 minutes to address it. If you ever run for political office and you debate like that you would never be a candidate people would take seriously. Is your doctrine that weak? Oh sorry, that was a question, I forgot you don't answer things like that.

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  41. Well my friend, I consider you to be an intelligent man and we both know that your comment is a red herring, because you don’t want to face your unscriptural illogical man made doctrine.

    God is NOT divided and neither does He change, He is the same yesterday today and forever.
    Yes my friend, it is JESUS who is the Christ, He is NOT a little bit god and a little bit man. And neither is He multidimensional as you claim.
    Don’t you think that, if He is multidimensional it would be written in the Bible ?

    You said, “One last time, Y'shua is 100% God, 100% man. I have said that over and over. Once again you pick and choose from my comments, in the same way that you pick and choose from the scriptures to fit your arguments and doctrine.”

    Keith, you know that is just a cliche. You know exactly, if the Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of another entity called God, then He is NOT God at all ! otherwise there would be TWO gods.
    And that is your great fallacy my friend.

    Your Y’shua might be 100% God and 100% man, but NOT the God of the Bible JESUS Christ of Nazareth.
    Your Y’shua is only mentioned in 2 Corinthians 11:3-4, another Jesus called Y’shua.

    And it is you who has said, “ if you asked the question, is Jesus fully God?, Then the answer is no.”

    How then can you say that He is 100% God ?

    If you don’t believe that He is fully 100% God, then most likely you don’t believe that He is fully 100% man.
    The question remains, is your god Yahweh God or is the Lord Jesus Christ the ONLY God (Rom. 9:5).

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  42. Regarding what is happening in the church, Acts ch. 7 v. 48 comes to my mind:-
    'However, the Most High does not live in houses made by human hands. As the prophet says'

    I think this is the main fault why the traditions of man are making void the Word of God.
    The 'church' is the body of Christ on earth, and all should be taught by God and His appointed, not man appointed who are taught by man at a Bible college.
    If we look to when the church was formed, each believer was used to build up the church according to the gift each believer was given. This is barely happening now.

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  43. Wow Paul I thought at first you or answering me and then I realized no you never answer me. You are misunderstanding what Keith is saying about Jesus. Keith is saying Jesus is not 100% God because Jesus body was a man's body. We all understood that. He is not saying that the Spirit of Jesus wasn't.

    We can all answer my question. You can't. That in and of itself proves you do not have a biblical foundation for what you say.

    Do a little experiment here. Take a sheet of paper. Fold it twice long ways. Open it back up. What do you have? 3 flaps or sections, YET still one piece of THE SAME paper.

    A person who has enough foundation can answer anything. A person who has God speaking to them should be able to get an answer from Him.

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  44. Tim, I do NOT have a twisted and a perverted mind, the Bible says that I have the mind of Christ.
    And don’t you think that the mind of Christ can discern the truth from a lie, intelligence from stupidity, honesty from deception ?

    But as it is, all of you are deceiving yourselves because you just don’t agree with the plain truth, therefore you are making the straight and narrow road of the Lord crooked with a multitude of words and terminologies.

    All of you are saying:
    Jesus is NOT God. But Jesus is 100% God.
    And to top it off, you say that Jesus is ONLY the Son of God and NOT God.

    All of you agree that Jesus NOT God and then you place another god, an unknown god in His place called Yahweh which is not even mentioned in the Bible. And then you deny the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ and give Him another unbiblical name Y’shua and to top that off, you claim to believe in the Bible.
    That’s not all !
    You said, “I am talking about God's authority over Jesus. Jesus would not tell the chief priests, scribes and elders Who had given Him the authority to do things, but He acknowledged that authority had been given to Him - otherwise He would have said that He did not need authority.”

    And here you make out that your god gave Jesus authority, and then you say that the TWO are ONE God.
    And you said, “In Matthew ch. 10, vs. 32 and 33 Jesus speaks of two - not One, One on earth (Himself)and One in Heaven, (His Father):-”
    And again you cannot even see the plain nonsense when you claim that the TWO are ONE God.

    Well, there is no bounds with your deception, and for that reason you will NOT believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved.

    And when the Lord Jesus says that He and the Father are ONE, you say contrary to what He has said, that they are TWO.

    Tell me, do you really think that I would believe you when you say that you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ ?
    And what do you think, will the Lord Jesus believe you?

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  45. Paul,

    The Bible says I am a child of God and have the mind of Christ too. You don’t have a twisted mind but you do have a distorted view of what scripture says. And then you do twist our words. So I agree with your statement: “And don’t you think that the mind of Christ can discern the truth from a lie, intelligence from stupidity, honesty from deception?”

    The truth is easily told. You can’t tell us everything because you don’t know how. I ask simple questions and you run from them. We give you every opportunity to “show us” things and you can’t. The things you do talk about are added to scripture. No where in scripture is satan a creator. You say we raise God the father above Jesus but you raise satan up to equality of Jesus. And you don’t see it. Intelligence from stupidity?

    You said “All of you are saying:
    Jesus is NOT God. But Jesus is 100% God.
    And to top it off, you say that Jesus is ONLY the Son of God and NOT God."

    That is not what we are saying. You did the same thing here that you do with scripture. You see something. You get something in your mind. You rearrange things and then come out with something inaccurate. What they (and I) have said is that the BODY of Jesus….The BODY of Jesus, His flesh, is not God. If His body was God then we can be gods too. His spirit is God, His perfect spirit. We all have said that but you play this stupid circular game. You either do this to make us angry and see what we do or you are actually so stupid you believe what you say. The BODY of Jesus is human. It was capable of falter. It was capable of sinning. It was done to show that God loves us and became one of us to share in His creation but to also die for us. If His BODY was God it cannot die. Do YOU understand that?

    We are ALL saying He is our Savior. Because of what He did, we are saved by His grace. Without His blood we have no hope. Because of what He did His name is above all names, all knees will bow. And yet here you say we said He wasn’t anything but a son. NO! He and the Father are One. It is you who cannot comprehend this concept.

    You said, “Yahweh which is not even mentioned in the Bible.” How can read Exodus 3 and not see YHWH? It is right there. Moses did not speak English.

    Intelligence from stupidity? Did Egyptians speak English too? Is that why they had pictures instead of words? You just don’t get it. I AM is translated as YHWH in their language. Why did He tell Moses that? Because the Israelites already knew that name. The Exodus was over 1000 years after the flood and more since Adam. They knew who the Great I Am was. YHWH becomes translated as Jehovah later on. It was Iehovah at first because there was NO J in our alphabet yet.

    You are so confused you don’t even know who said what. You started off talking to me and then added things other people may have said and claim I said it. How do you know the voice of God when you can’t even decipher who is talking to you now?

    I have never said there are two or three gods. I have ALWAYS said there is One. You just can’t comprehend the concept.
    I am trying to remain nice and not let my American superiority complex (no offense to anyone outside the US, we know we have a pompous attitude) come through and just tell you off. But you push me to my limit. I feel so sorry for you. I can’t tell if you really believe the garbage that you say or if the voice that you hear is just some kind of schizophrenia.

    You can’t answer questions.

    You can’t stop being obsessed with one topic.

    You add scripture that actually raises the power of satan.

    You take away scripture when it disagrees with you.

    You lie and say you don’t quote scripture and do it all the time.

    You have this judgmental attitude that is so unlike Christ it is pathetic.

    You misquote things we say.

    Intelligence from stupidity? You said it Paul. You just don’t get it.

    Sorry Keith, I know this is not what you want on your blog. But even Jesus turned over the tables…

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  46. Brenda, I agree with you that modern-day Christians have made the 'houses of God' their Asherah Poles. Against what the Bible teaches us, they sink deep into debt to build large churches, thinking it is the church appearance that bring them to God, instead of our fathers spirit which draws them near, while gnoring the fact that the true church is the remnant of God.

    Also, the traditions and non scriptural teachings of man are dampening our Father Spirit within us and nulififying the Word of God. Their ttraditions and non-scriptural teaching are their Asherah Poles, i.e. Paul, in which they have elevated their doctrine above the father himself, making him null and void in their lives. As a result, the gifts of his Spirit are rarely found and usually only in small pockets throughout the world. It is a crying shame.

    I agree with you that one of the main causes are the liberal unanointed "Bible scholars", within the religious universities.

    I'm reminded of 2 John 2:27.

    As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit — just as it has taught you, remain in him.

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  47. I have only seen the gifts of the Spirit operating in two gatherings I have been in, and they were ones that operated as they are supposed to. Sadly, many 'churches' these days are entertainment centres where God the Father is hardly mentioned. Yet Jesus said, when He went to be with the Father, that we would ask the Father in His name.

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  48. Tim, and all of you, you say, “What they (and I) have said is that the BODY of Jesus….The BODY of Jesus, His flesh, is not God. If His body was God then we can be gods too.”

    What kind of nonsense is that ? do you really think that I am so stupid and don’t know what you are saying ?

    Here the Lord God the Almighty (Immanuel) Jesus Christ came in the flesh and you are saying certain parts of Lord God is NOT God.

    I think that you not only have a spiritual problem, you also have a honesty problem.

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  49. Once again Paul, the words of your ignorance of God's nature shines through. Even though God can do all things, there are things that are against his nature and will not do. One is to come in contact with sin. Another one is to die. That is the reason why he used the vessel of the man, Jesus. He was able to indwell the perfect body of Jesus until he was made sin for all of us on the cross. At that point God withdrew himself from the man Jesus. I hope this helps you out even though I have said this a gazillion times to you before

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  50. So Paul, Jesus has always been flesh? In the time before creation Jesus had a heart beat, finger prints, and had to pee pee?

    So yes I think you're that stupid. Because you don't know what we're saying.

    And you still haven't answered my questions. I've said that so many times that my autocorrect has the whole sentence ready for me just to hit the enter button.

    The body is just a shell, made from the earth.

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  51. Keith, concerning God’s nature, way back, I have explained that to you.

    You said, “One is to come in contact with sin. Another one is to die. That is the reason why he used the vessel of the man, Jesus.“

    If you would believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord God the Almighty, then necessity demands that you believe that GOD died on the cross, and not someone else.

    And if you think that God cannot come in contact with sin, then tell me what else can He NOT do?
    It seems to me that your Yahweh god is very restricted in what he can do.
    Obviously he can’t even hear your prayers.

    For that reason I recommend you to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and then you will be saved.

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  52. Tim, who do you think was WALKING in the cool of the evening with Adam ?

    Just read the Scriptures and believe it.
    Jesus wasn’t flying, He was WALKING.
    And who do you think created Adam ? and in whose image ?

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  53. Matthew 28:9
    Can you imagine; they were taking hold of the feet of the Lord Jesus Christ and saying to Him, we are not worshipping everything of you but only a part of you. We only worship your spirit, because your spirit is god and your flesh is not god.
    We are only taking hold of your feet so that we can worship your spirit THROUGH your feet.

    Perhaps the same way as you pray to a god called Yahweh THROUGH a god called Y’shua.

    I hope that you can see your fallacious doctrines and thinking.

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  54. Well my friends, someone needs to tell you :-)

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  55. It seems to me that you cannot and will not put up with sound intelligent doctrines.

    2 Timothy 4:3-4 “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.”

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  56. Paul, when did I say that God did not take on human form? See, this is what you do. You add things. I believe God walked in the Garden...ON EARTH. Again you didn't answer another one of my questions. Does God eat? Does He go to the bathroom and relieve Himself?

    Now did you read Genesis 1 where it said the spirit of God hovered over the waters? Oh that's right, you think Satan did it too.

    And I have said multiple times that Jesus is the creator. Scripture tells us that. Another thing you misquoted me on. In His image, or likeness, does not mean "exactly" anyway.

    Can you see humans worshipping a body? Like Lenin, the Ayatollah, Jim Morrison? That's called a cult. His body is not holy.

    John 1:14-- the word became flesh...BECAME flesh and dwelt among us.

    Romans 8:3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh.

    Erroneous and fallacious...yes, you are.

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  57. So, Paul, You honestly believe that God is a sinful being, able to die? Your god is definitely not the God of the Bible.

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  58. Paul, You asked if the disciples grabbed Y'shua's feet and was worshipping the Father in Spitit? Yes, absolutely! Read John 4:23

    Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.

    We worship and pray to the Father in the Spirit through the Son, Y'shua.

    That is why you can get away with sinning against the son, but not the Fathers Spirit.

    You would know this, if you read your Bible. Even the English Bibles have it.

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  59. One last question, Paul. If the Jesus is the Father, then how can you speak against or sin against Jesus and be forgiven, but not be forgiven for speaking against or sinning against the Spirit, which we both agree is the Father?

    Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come

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  60. Tim, you said, “ Does God eat? Does He go to the bathroom and relieve Himself?”

    I’m not going to say it again.
    Obviously you do NOT believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is God, otherwise you would not ask me that question.


    Genesis 1:1 WHO do you think that the Spirit is ?

    And WHAT do you think that the SCRIPTURES said who the Spirit is ?

    Gen. 1:1 is certainly NOT your false god called Yahweh.
    There are NOT two creators !
    Either it is the Lord Jesus Christ which I proclaim or it is your false god called Yahweh.
    Now, if you have a problem with that, then show it to me in the Bible.

    You said, “In His image, or likeness, does not mean "exactly" anyway.”

    What does it mean then ? sort off His image ? a little bit in His image and a little bit not His image ?

    Hebrews 1:3, Is the Son the EXACT representation of His nature ? or is He not exactly the representation of His nature ?

    Tim, it seems to me that you don’t think when you say something.

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  61. Keith, you said,”Paul, You asked if the disciples grabbed Y'shua's feet and was worshipping the Father in Spirit? Yes, absolutely! Read John 4:23”
    We worship and pray to the Father in the Spirit through the Son, Y'shua.

    Where is that written in the Bible ?

    That is the same as to say that you worship the father through his son, Buddha.

    Tell me, WHICH father are you talking about ?
    Obviously I am talking about a different Father than you are.

    My Father who is in heaven is the Lord Jesus Christ and your father must be the father of Buddha.

    You said, “If the Jesus is the Father, then how can you speak………”

    You should ask yourself, Why is Jesus NOT your Father ? and then tell me WHO then is your father?
    Is it Jehovah Allah, Yahweh or Krishna ?

    Concerning God; the Scriptures speaks of TWO fathers, the DEVIL, who is the father and the god of his children (John 8:44), and the other is the God and Father of His children Jesus Christ the Lord and only God forever praised (Rom. 9:5).

    There is NO other God and Father mentioned in the Bible.

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  62. Keith, You said, “sinning against the Spirit, which we both agree is the Father?“

    No Keith, we do NOT both agree that the Spirit is the Father.

    You think and teach that the Spirit is Yahweh and that Yahweh is the Father.

    I teach that the Spirit is the Lord Jesus Christ (2 Cor. 3:17) and that the Father is the Lord Jesus Christ (John 10:30 and John 14:9 and Isa. 9:6 and many more).

    Keith, you need to rethink your position and ask the Lord Jesus Christ to teach you the truth.

    Your problems are NOT doctrines, your problem is that you don’t believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
    And yes, repentance is required from you FIRST and then you need to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and lean NOT unto your own understanding.

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  63. Paul,
    You're not going to say it again??? When did you say it the first time? You never answered me to begin with. Plus, even if you did say it once that has NEVER stopped you from saying it 5000 times.

    You said there aren't 2 creators? Well, I never said there was. But you DID!!!!! You said Satan helped in creation when you said that "made in our" image means in Satan's image too. You don't even read what YOU wrote, it's no wonder you don't get what God wrote.

    Show it to you in the Bible????? What do you think we've been doing?? We've given you scripture after scripture.

    What do you think representation means?? Anyway, yes, likeness does not mean exactness. I am in my earthly father's image. I represent him. But I am not the exactness of him.

    Here is another question you will run from...what happened at the tower of Babel?

    Honestly, your last post was the dumbest one you have ever posted. You distorted even your own words. You can't even answer your own questions.

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  64. Paul, You said"

    Keith, you said,”Paul, You asked if the disciples grabbed Y'shua's feet and was worshipping the Father in Spirit? Yes, absolutely! Read John 4:23”
    We worship and pray to the Father in the Spirit through the Son, Y'shua.

    Where is that written in the Bible ?

    Really? You really don't know your Bible. The following are just a few verses that says exactly that.

    Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth. John 4:23-24

    For through him (Y'shua/Jesus) we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Ephesians 2:18.

    Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. 1 Peter 2:5.

    By him (Y'shua/Jesus) therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name. Hebrews 13:15.

    And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him (Y'shua/Jesus) . Colossians 3:17.

    Are you deliberately being deceptive or really don't know your Bible or do you forget things?

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  65. In another comment, Paul, you said,

    "Keith, You said, “sinning against the Spirit, which we both agree is the Father?“

    No Keith, we do NOT both agree that the Spirit is the Father. "

    If that isn't twisted, I don't know what it is. If you believe that Jesus is the spirit and the Jesus is the father, then you believe that the father is the spirit. Quit being silly

    Therefore, if you can be forgiven of sinning against Jesus, then how can you not be forgiven for sinning against the spirit?

    It's a very simple question. However, your history have shown that you have a terrible time answering the simple questions. Why? Because even the answers to the simple questions reveals your false doctrine. You're evil spirit has blinded you to even the simple truthS..

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  66. Keith, you said, “Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth. John 4:23-24”

    Yes, that’s exactly what I am saying, in Mat. 28:9 they worshiped the FATHER in spirit and in truth.
    They didn’t worship someone else THROUGH another one. They worshiped the Lord Jesus Christ who is the Father in spirit and in truth, just as the Scriptures has said.

    Just think ! Is there another God, other than the Father ? read 1 Cor. 8:6, “For unto us is but ONE God and that IS the Father”.
    So then, did NOT worship an other god called Father ? No ! they worshipped Jesus Christ who IS the Father in spirit and in truth just as the Scriptures said.

    They didn’t worship another father THOUGH a man as you think and say.

    You said, "Keith, You said, “sinning against the Spirit, which we both agree is the Father?“

    No Keith, we do NOT both agree that the Spirit is the Father”

    I responded, “You think and teach that the Spirit is Yahweh and that Yahweh is the Father.

    I teach that the Spirit is the Lord Jesus Christ (2 Cor. 3:17) and that the Father is the Lord Jesus Christ (John 10:30 and John 14:9 and Isa. 9:6 and many more).

    Why can’t you understand that ?


    You said, “If that isn't twisted, I don't know what it is. If you believe that Jesus is the spirit and the Jesus is the father, then you believe that the father is the spirit. Quit being silly”

    Yes, that's what you are saying, surely NOT I.

    Why don’t you believe that Jesus Christ is the Father when all the Scriptures said that Jesus is the Father ?
    And why don’t you believe the Scriptures when it is clearly stated in 2 Cor. 3:17, that the Lord Jesus Christ IS the Spirit ?

    I do NOT divide God into many entities, YOU are doing that just like ALL trinitarians do.

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  67. Skipped me again Paul. Is your intelligence level that low or just your consideration level?

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  68. Paul,
    Could doctors perform surgery on God?

    I still want an answer about Babel.

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  69. Tim, What???? You actually are going to try logic on Paul? Stop! You will hurt him, possibly permanently damage him. :-) LOL

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  70. He won't answer me anyway Keith. Logic is silly talk to him.

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  71. Logic ! what logic ?

    Is that logic to pray to one entity THROUGH another entity and then say that THEY are ONE ?

    Is that logic to worship one entity through another entity ?

    Is that logic to say that God is ONE, a Father and a Son ?

    Is that logic to say that the Father is God and the Son is also God and the TWO are ONE ?

    Is that logic to say that in the beginning one god had a son without a wife ?

    Is that logic to say that one entity created all things THROUGH another entity called the Son ?

    There is a lot more than that of which you think is logic.

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  72. Paul,

    That's silly talk. You don't engage in sill talk.

    You distort the view I have.

    But to answer all your questions...yes. Spiritual logic is not like puny man-made logic. But what I was talking about is how you can't have a discussion because you don't know what you're talking about.

    Is it logic to think that Moses knew English 2500 years before it was actually spoken?

    Isn't it logic that if God is flesh that a doctor could have surgery on Him? Isn't it logic if God had a body, He needs to eat and go to the bathroom?

    Is it logic to say that the evil one helped play a part in the Anointed One's creation as an equal creator?

    Is it logic to understand that 1+1+1 does not equal but not understanding that 1X1X1 does?

    Paul, again, I would seriously like to know you. I would like to actually have a conversation with you but you don't know how. It is just plain human consideration to answer someone who has a question. You don't have the consideration. Even in this last post, you answer me by not answering me.

    You need to go back and understand what logic is.

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  73. Paul, You obviously missed the intent of the comment, as you normally do.

    Tim attempted to engage you in a logical thinking exercise, when he asked you,

    "Could doctors perform surgery on God?".

    Your response proves my comment. Nice try.

    However, the response, to your questions, is that it is scriptural. I do not expect your carnal mind to truly understand biblical logic or what the scriptures actually say.
    You see the Truth of the cross is foolishness to those of you who are perishing, but to us who are anointed, it reveals the power of God.

    For you, through your wisdom did not come to know God. Therefore, God is well-pleased through the foolishness of his message to save those who truly read and believe his Word, which manifested the Messiah.

    We try to reveal to you the anointed sacrifice, which is a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness and illogical to you, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, the anointed one message, from God to mankind shows the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than Paul's wisdom.

    You, being a natural man will not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to you. Therefore you cannot and will not understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

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  74. Well, do you call that logic;
    To pray to one entity THROUGH another entity and then say that THEY are ONE ?
    Or to worship one entity through another entity ?
    Or to say that God is ONE, a Father and a Son ?
    Or to say that the Father is God and the Son is also God and the TWO are ONE ?
    Or to say that in the beginning one god had a son without a wife ?
    Or to say that one entity created all things THROUGH another entity called the Son ?

    And then you say that the Father is 100% God and the Son is also 100% God and both together are ONE God.

    A Father and a Son are ONE God ?

    Is that what you call your logic which is spiritually discerned ?

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  75. Skipped my questions again Paul. I just don't think you're capable of answering them.

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  76. He won't, Tim. He's having too much fun changing Scripture to match his doctrine to be bothered with the truth resulting from the real answers to your questions.

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  77. Can you answer it Keith?
    Does God eat?

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  78. You can pat each other on the back as long as you like, but that does not make your crooked man made doctrines true.

    Plain intelligence will tell you that God did NOT have a Son to create the heavens and the earth and everything in it.

    A Father and a Son are God ? what next ?

    Tell me, from where did you get that nonsense ?
    And don’t tell me that you get that from the Bible, and claim to have the mind of Christ.

    Well my friend, you do not only have a spiritual problem, you have much more than that.

    But then again the Lord Jesus Christ did not come to only save logically intelligent people, He came to save sinners and transgressors and deceived people too.

    And Yahweh cannot save, only the Lord Jesus Christ can save and there is no other Name given under heaven whereby you must be saved.
    And remember, the Lord Jesus Christ does NOT save THROUGH someone else.

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  79. The Israelites worshiped the serpent (Rev. 12:9) on the Asherah Poles.
    Tell me who do you worship on your Asherah Poles ?

    Do you worship the serpent THROUGH a man you call Y’shuah ?

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  80. That is right Paul,
    'He is ‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone. 'salvation exists IN no one else, for there is no other name UNDER HEAVEN given to men by which we must be saved.'
    Acts ch. 4 . vs. 11,12.

    Psalm 127 v. 1 says:-
    'Except the Lord build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.'

    Do not try to build God's house.

    1 Corinthians ch. 3 vs. 9-11 says:-
    'For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, God’s building. By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise master builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one must be careful how he builds. For no one can lay a foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.…'

    God the Father is the builder, using us as fellow workers, but Jesus is the cornerstone of that building.

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  81. What are you saying Brenda ?

    You said, “God the Father is the builder, using us as fellow workers, but Jesus is the cornerstone of that building.”

    Are you saying that a god called Yahweh who is called the Father is using a man as the cornerstone of a building ? Or are you saying that one god is using another god as a cornerstone ?
    Or do you think that the Father uses His Son as a cornerstone ?
    And also, do you say that both are ONE ? perhaps ONE God ?


    You said, “He is the stone you builders rejected”

    I am a representative of the cornerstone which is the Lord Jesus Christ who is the ONLY God and King eternal (1 Tim. 1:17), and I reject and condemn any other one who raises his head above the Lord my God Jesus Christ.

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  82. I am not saying anything different to what those Bible verses are saying.

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  83. Paul, we all have had Asherah Poles, at one time, in our lives. The big difference is that we confess our sins and ask for forgiveness. You are too arrogant to come to the throne, which shows your true spirit. However, it's not too late. I continue to pray for you, friend.

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  84. Paul,
    Plain intelligence as you say, will tell you that Satan was not part of the creation and equal with God. You not only deny the Father but you elevate the evil one.

    Your obsession is your asherah pole.

    Jesus was known as the son of God and the son of man.

    You keep saying it's impossible for God to have a son without a wife, but you have no problem with Mary being his mother without being married to God? Can't you see how unbalanced your doctrine is? You say it can't be one thing yet have no problem with something else that is very similar.

    You say he came to save but you say we have no choice. If we have no choice then he never had to come save anyone.

    You won't answer my questions because you know once you do your whole doctrine becomes invalid. True doctrine can stand through anything. You can't.

    My questions are simple. I can answer them with ease. You run. Scripture says the devil will flee.

    Why do you run away Paul?

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  85. A wise man once said:
    “in fact the Athanasian paradox that one is three, and three but one is so incomprehensible to the human mind that no candid man can say he has any idea of it, and how can he believe what presents no idea. he who thinks he does , Start insertion, only, End, deceives himself. he proves also that man, once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind. With such persons, gullibility, which they call faith, takes the helm from the hand of reason and the mind becomes a wreck."

    Thomas Jefferson to James Smith 8 Dez. 1822.


    Thomas Jefferson is talking about the so called Christians who surrendered their reasoning just like you.

    They also say that God had a Son and both together are ONE.
    Or the Father is 100% God and his Son is also 100% God and the TWO are ONE God.
    Or, there is ONE God in heaven and another ONE God on earth and together they are God.

    They even quote the Scriptures and say ‘It is written’ (John 14:26) “But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My Name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.”

    Can you see, there are THREE, one is the Holy Spirit and another one is the Father and the third one is Jesus, but of course all three are ONE :-)

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  86. Paul,
    Thomas Jefferson was also called a Deist of the Enlightenment times. He also compromised his beliefs by saying that God created but no longer intervened with mankind. He surrendered his own values for the sake of "knowledge". Although a good man and still believed in God and perhaps even Jesus Christ he is not the best example.

    And can't you see that I am not saying there are three? You keep saying that. I keep giving you examples of how three can be one. You basically can't comprehend that because you limit God to your own physical limitations. You thereby think God is not all powerful.

    Again, think of a paper folded twice, its still the same paper but in three sections. Same with God. Now Keith would take it a step further and say the paper can keep being folded even more. Fine. He knows though that God is not limited. You don't get it.

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  87. Paul, With all due respect to one of the founding fathers of our country, advances in the knowledge of our human mind and body and our existence, in general, has just advance to the level of a beginners understanding, within the past 100 years. He would be ignorant of these insights. Also, Jefferson was a humanist towards the end of his life. He's been given credit for advancing secular humanism, within his lifetime. I'm sure we can agree that humanism is not a good source for our biblical studies. 😎

    As for the three in one comment, my friend, it continually amazes me that you are either being deliberately contrary and just plain ignorant. WE DO NOT BELIEVE IN THREE SEPARATE GODS. Quit misrepresenting our beliefs.

    In case you are ignorant, let's try it another way.

    I don't know anyone that would disagree that the ID, ego, and super-ego are the three parts of the psychic apparatus, as defined in Sigmund Freud's structural model of the psyche. The three parts are the theoretical constructs in terms of whose activity and interaction our mental life is described. No one, in their right mind, would say that they are three separate individual physical parts of the brain. It is one brain.

    Next, It is well accepted, within the scientific world, that there is a force, that resides in you and me. Most of us call it, the Spirit.

    Within the religious community, we believe that there is also a soul, even though the scientific community has not accepted this, as a whole.

    All these and other aspects reside within the body.

    No one would deny that all these things work as one human being, not multiple human beings.

    In the same way, but on a much higher level, God exists multidimensionally.

    For a multidimensional being to enter our space/time, without violating his natural laws, he would need a body, that could naturally function within our Space/Time.

    His Spirit, which is naturally not restricted by Space/Time would dwell or tabernacle within this perfectly created body.

    That body is the man, Jesus. This body being created in the image of God would have a soul, mind and body of a man, but with the Spirit of God.

    This was necessary for God to Emmanuel, dwell with us, while fulfilling his perfect law and then sacrificing the body on the altar of God, a sin sacrifice, for the remission of our sins, IN ACCORDANCE TO HIS LAW.

    If you wish to continue to fellowship and discuss things with us, please do not misrepresent our position again.

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  88. Keith,

    This we are in 100% agreement. Very nicely put.

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  89. Tim, you said, “I keep giving you examples of how three can be one. You basically can't comprehend that because you limit God to your own physical limitations.”

    Tim, do you really think that I am that stupid ?
    And how do you know what I can NOT comprehend ? Who has told you that ?

    That is exactly what Thomas Jefferson is talking about.
    Obviously you don’t think what he is actually saying.

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  90. No Keith, you don’t respect me to be an ambassador of Jesus Christ and that’s the reason why you don’t believe in the Lord my God Jesus Christ.

    You said, “ WE DO NOT BELIEVE IN THREE SEPARATE GODS. Quit misrepresenting our beliefs.
    In case you are ignorant, let's try it another way.”

    What ! That’s exactly what ALL trinitarians say, and all those deceived Christians say exactly the same thing what you are saying.

    You say that the Son is God and the Father is also God. tell me, HOW MANY gods are they ?
    If one God is in heaven and the other God is on earth, then tell me, HOW MANY gods are there ?
    If the Son is NOT the Father, then tell me, HOW MANY are they ?
    If Jesus and the Father are ONE, tell me, exactly how many are they ?

    No ! I do NOT misrepresent your position, I clearly state your beliefs and testimony, it’s all in your comments.

    Over at Tim’s blog you said, “Paul, I have never said that Y'shua/Jesus isn't our Lord and God. I have tried to help you understand what that really means. As Tim says, you go into your rehearsed mantra, without listening.”

    Look my friend just be honest.
    If Jesus is God and the Father is also God, then HOW many gods are there ?

    Again, I do NOT misrepresent you. And don’t accuse me, so that you may escape repentance from your wicked doctrines.


    You said, “His Spirit, which is naturally not restricted”

    His Spirit ? Whose Spirit ? tell me, of WHICH one of your gods spirit are you talking about ?

    The Bible said, (John 4:24) that God IS SPIRIT.
    Do you think that God who is Spirit also has a Spirit ?


    You said, “my friend, it continually amazes me that you are either being deliberately contrary and just plain ignorant.

    Now judge for yourself who is deliberately ignorant you or I ?
    But judge it with a sober mind.

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  91. I agree one hundred percent with what you have written Keith.

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  92. Paul
    My goodness!!! Are you serious? Everything you just said proves EVERYTHING we've been saying about you.

    You asked how do I know you don't comprehend, it's because of your answers, when you actually do answer. Do you understand that one multiplied by one multiplied by another one still equals one? For two years you have never answered that. If you understood then you would not say things that we're not saying.

    Last time...Jesus is God. The Father is God. The Spirit is God. They are all the same God. DID YOU READ THAT? ALL THE SAME GOD. You don't understand how God can be in two different places at the same time. You think his body controls his spirit. You put God in a physical box and you control him. God can be in heaven AND on Earth at the same time. And pour his spirit out without leaving the Fathers side.

    I'm sober. You are in error.

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  93. Keith, you said, “Last time...Jesus is God. The Father is God. The Spirit is God. They are all the same God.Last time...Jesus is God. The Father is God. The Spirit is God. They are all the same God. DID YOU READ THAT? ALL THE SAME GOD”

    “THEY ARE ALL THE SAME GOD” ?
    Again, I will ask you, ‘the same God’ WHO ???
    Do you mean Buddha ?

    You said, “They are all the same God. DID YOU READ THAT? ALL THE SAME GOD”
    THEY, WHO THEY ?
    Do you mean all those THREE people or entities are ALL THE SAME GOD ?? The same God Buddha or the same God Allah ??

    You are talking a lot of nonsense. You are saying a banana and an apple and a orange are all the same fruit.

    You said, “You put God in a physical box”

    No I don’t. I preach Jesus Christ has come in the flesh and NOT in a box. (1 Tim. 3:16 ‘GOD appeared in a BODY, seen by men and angels and taken up in glory.’

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  94. See? You are putting words into our mouths, not getting it, and/or distorting our views.

    You know I'm not talking about Buddha. Did I mention Buddha in that list? NO! There is no misunderstanding what I said. It's just you trying to make it look like I'm saying that.

    I am not comparing different fruit. I am saying the apple peel, the apple meat, and the apple seed. IT'S STILL THE APPLE.

    You may be saying Jesus came in the flesh, now. But you said Jesus has always been flesh. And if you didn't it's because you never answered the questions enough for us to know. I asked you before about the body of God, you ignored it.

    You seriously, just have no clue, do you? You don't even know what you mean, let alone what we mean, or what the Bible says. You skip the things you can't answer or ignore the things that show how wrong you are. I am going to make a list of questions that I have asked in the past when I have time later on today. I want to show you what you don't answer and how you do it. But I will give you credit, at least the last few times you have responded to even "silly talk", which you of course NEVER engage in.

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  95. Tim, I totally missed some of your comments. Sorry, for not answering.

    You said, "Can you answer it Keith?
    Does God eat?"

    That's a great question. I know that Y'shua, you and I will eat in the kingdom. However, does God eat?

    Since he doesn't degrade, I would think that there isn't any reason to replenish, therefore eat. Our need for food comes from our sin and the natural body degradation and it's need to replenish.

    With that said, would God partake of food during celebrations? I think so. He loves our fellowship and definitely loves the smell of the melting fat, off of the animal sacrifices, in the Holy of Holies. Stirs my appetite. Your thoughts?

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  96. Brenda, You said, "I am not saying anything different to what those Bible verses are saying."

    That's Paul's problem. He doesn't read what you, Tim, or anyone else says. He interprets it, in his own light.

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  97. Paul, Respect is earned. Pure and simple. In your case, you cant get respect, if you keep misquoting or misrepresenting the one, whom you say you are representing. That is Jesus Christ of the Bible, unless, that is not the one you are representing. Who are representing?

    As for our beliefs and their comparison to the Trinitarians, you are clearly confused. The Trinity actually limits God and puts him into a box, like you appear to be doing. I will try to think of a better way to help your carnal mind understand our position and if you open yourself to the scriptures, as they actually are, you can actually grow close to God. Presently, you are clearly standing on the outside looking in.


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  98. Likewise Keith.
    You said, “ WE DO NOT BELIEVE IN THREE SEPARATE GODS. Quit misrepresenting our beliefs.
    In case you are ignorant, let's try it another way.”

    What ! That’s exactly what ALL trinitarians say, and all those deceived Christians say exactly the same thing what you are saying.

    You say that the Son is God and the Father is also God. tell me, HOW MANY gods are they ?

    If one God is in heaven and the other God is on earth, then tell me, HOW MANY gods are there ?

    If the Son is NOT the Father, then tell me, HOW MANY are they ?

    If Jesus and the Father are ONE, tell me, exactly how many are they ?

    No ! I do NOT misrepresent your position, I clearly state your beliefs and testimony, it’s all in your comments.

    Over at Tim’s blog you said, “Paul, I have never said that Y'shua/Jesus isn't our Lord and God. I have tried to help you understand what that really means. As Tim says, you go into your rehearsed mantra, without listening.”

    Look my friend just be honest.
    If Jesus is God and the Father is also God, then HOW many gods are there ?

    Again, I do NOT misrepresent you. And don’t accuse me, so that you may escape repentance from your wicked doctrines.


    You said, “His Spirit, which is naturally not restricted”

    His Spirit ? Whose Spirit ? tell me, of WHICH one of your gods spirit are you talking about ?

    The Bible said, (John 4:24) that God IS SPIRIT.

    Do you think that God who is Spirit also has a Spirit ?


    You said, “my friend, it continually amazes me that you are either being deliberately contrary and just plain ignorant.

    Now judge for yourself who is deliberately ignorant you or I ?
    But judge it with a sober mind.

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  99. Did you just seriously paste and copy your response? Do you see how you can't have a conversation? Of course you think we would expect that from you. All you do is repeat the same thing over and over with false substance.

    Now is that post two different posts or the same post? Or is the last post just posted in the image of the other post? I mean, how can a post be the same yet different? Tell me Paul how many posts is it?

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  100. LOL Tim!!! Wow!!! Do I hear a clanging cymbal? :-) I agree, Tim.

    Paul, Did you really mean to post that, again?

    Back to your questions...

    1. One
    2. One
    3. One
    4. One

    No you don't state our beliefs. You state you distorted belief of our beliefs.

    "Paul, I have never said that Y'shua/Jesus isn't our Lord and God."

    Where, in that statement, do you get that I believe in multiple Gods?

    Back to your questions...

    5. One
    6. Yes, His Spirit, I don't think I stuttered or could have stated it more succinctly.
    7. God's Spirit, YHWH's Spirit. Ruach Hokadesh.
    8. God's Spirit, the one that dwells within you.
    9. No one Spirit, as the scriptures state.
    10. You, the one, who misstates the scriptures, the Word of God. The misrepresentative of Christ.

    I don't do drugs or drink or get high in any way. Therefore, I am as sober as they come.

    Now, that I have, AGAIN, answered ALL your silly questions, please pick apart what I wrote in my last response to you concerning the multidimensionality of God. Please do it intelligently and without misrepresenting anything I have said.

    I want to know exactly what is wrong with what I said and do it scripturally, not your opinion, like you normally do. It would be greatly appreciated and refreshing to hear the truth, not your rhetoric. Thanks, in advance for you cooperation in this matter.





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  101. Paul, First of all, I know that I've been hard on you, on your blog. If I have offended you, please forgive. After thinking about this for a while, the Lord prompted me to ask you one simple question. Do you believe that each human has a body, mind, heart, spirit and soul? I do not need any long drawn out dissertation. As a matter of fact, I don't want anything other than a simple yes or no. Thank You.

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  102. You said,
    Back to your questions...

    1. One
    2. One
    3. One
    4. One
    What kind of a sober answer is that ?

    If the Father is God and Jesus is also God, then tell me, HOW MANY gods are there ?

    If you claim to be truthful and believe in the truth, then give me a truthful answer.

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  103. No Hiker Boy, you have NOT offended me, you have offended the one I am representing and that is the Lord Jesus Christ.
    And it is better for you to ask Him for forgiveness, as long as to day is called to day.

    The answer to your question is yes.

    He also has eyes, ears, lungs, kidneys etc. just like God who is the Lord Jesus Christ who has created the man in His image.

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  104. Paul, Anything, other than an answer of one, would be a lie, my friend.

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  105. Paul, I don't understand how you can recognize the multifaceted existence of man, but fail or refuse to recognize or acknowledge the multifaceted existence of the God who created him, in his own image.

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  106. Keith,

    My thoughts about God eating...by the way thanks for answering...it's a simple concept that when a person is asked a question that the other person actually answers...anyway, if God eats for the same purpose we do then that means he needs nourishment. That also means he has to get rid of the waste he doesn't need. And that if he is built like us then he would need vitamins for the body or it would die of malnutrition. So, no, he doesn't eat like we do. Now, at the feast I think he will, but I feel that is in the new kingdom that will come in the 1000 year reign. That is just my thoughts. I don't know how biblical that is, just my first thoughts. All I know is that he is not physical in his true nature. So his needs are not like mine. And if you are correct about our bodies needing food due to sin then he certainly doesn't need it. But, Jesus got hungry as a human. I am not sure that we need food due to sin.

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  107. Keith,

    With all due respect, I am not for sure you represented my views about a trinity 100% accurate either. First and foremost I do not call my self a trinitarian. I call myself a follower of Christ. I believe there is a trinity but I don't like that label. Anyway, the main point is this: I am not saying that God is limited to three holy multifaceted/multi-dimension being. I know He is eternal and infinite. All I am saying is that God manifested Himself to His creation in 3. I would like to know, if you wouldn't mind, what else would you consider as the fullness of God? Beyond the Father, the Son, and the Spirit, what else is God? Just curious...

    I feel I do not limit Him just because I believe in these manifestations. I know He can be so much more. But I also know that God always moves in 3.

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  108. William,

    Dude, I like the way you think. Humans are multifaceted. I have explained that to Paul before. The Bible says we are body, soul, spirit. Our minds are part of our soul. Our hearts are part of our body, but our dreams and conscience of our hearts is our spirit, Body, Soul, Spirit

    So if his creation is 3, yet 1, then God can be that way too. Paul limits God to just a 3D being. If he is 3D only then he would not have the ability to create, or we would have that ability. No matter what is more than 3D. As Keith's blog is all about, he transcends time (4D), he transcends space (5D) and so on...

    I like you, my man!

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  109. Paul,

    Your questions to Keith were answered simple and complete. You asked him how many gods four times and he explained it plain and simple======= 1

    Here is another math fact that you will have a hard time with (you know besides how you can't multiply 1 X 1 X 1). You will not understand the transitive property of equality. If a=b, and b=c, then a=c. If Jesus is God, and God is the Spirit, then Jesus is the Spirit. When Keith said "1", he is right and he is saying is so simple that your friend blind Freddie would get it too. But, for some reason, you don't get it. I don't know why you can't understand what we're saying.

    So to answer this ignoramus question you have asked a thousand times, "If the Father is God and Jesus is also God, then tell me, HOW MANY gods are there?" The answer lies within the transitive property. If Jesus is God and the Father is God, then He is one God. If I told this to a 8 year old, which my wife teaches in Sunday School, that child would get it. Do you understand what that implies, Paul? Probably, not.

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  110. Paul,

    If God had a heart and lungs and a stomach. He would be able to bleed to death, have a heart attack, starve to death, or suffocate.

    Are you saying God will die one day. I mean we are able to die. If we are like God and we die then He can die one day and poof....no more God.

    What do you think happens to you after you die? I bet all of those people in the graves are still in the grave. Do you think that if Jesus did not ascend that his body would be preserved? No, it would rot like ours. But the Father glorified his body. Now, to be honest, I don't know if his body is in heaven right now or not. I do believe in a 1000 year reign with the King physically. I just don't know how that will work. See, it's ok to admit we don't know things.

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  111. Keith, well thank you my friend for giving me a straight answer.

    I have asked you, If the Father is God and Jesus is also God, then tell me, HOW MANY gods are there ?
    And you said, “ONE”.

    OK, remember you said ONE and NOT TWO.

    That is exactly what Thomas Jefferson said.
    "That paradox that (ONE) is (TWO), and (TWO) but (ONE) is so incomprehensible to the human mind that no candid man can say he has any idea of it, and how can he believe what presents no idea. he who thinks he does , Start insertion, only, End, deceives himself. he proves also that man, once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind. With such persons, gullibility, which they call faith, takes the helm from the hand of reason and the mind becomes a wreck."

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  112. Hi William, do you believe that the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth created man ?

    Or do you believe that someone else created man ?

    Are you talking about my heavenly Father, the Lord Jesus Christ ? or are you talking about another father ?

    If you are talking about my Father, then tell me what do you know about my Father’s multifaceted existence ?

    Do you mean his existence in THREE persons ? Or do you mean his existence in TWO persons ?

    Or are you saying that my Father has created you in his image in a multi facet existence of a Siamese triplet ?

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  113. Tim, (John 8:24), “Jesus Christ said, ‘You will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

    Obviously you don’t believe that Jesus is the God of all creation.
    Your god can’t save you, and neither can your church.

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  114. Tim, I totally agree that God is spiritual within this time space. However, we don't know what physicality looks like in his dimensionality. I believe that since we were made in his image, that he has some type of physicality in his dimensionalit, but not the flesh that was the result of our sinful fall. Within his dimensionality and ours after he returns, we may partake of food for enjoyment purposes only without the need of nourishment and the resulting waste. Good Disccusion!

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  115. Tim, I don't understand your comment about misrepresenting your views. We are in agreement that the father, the son, the spirit are three ways he has presented himself to this space time. Where did I say that you were a Trinitarian? Trinitarians are those who have a polytheistic view of God. That simplistic but you get what I mean.

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  116. Paul,

    Obviously. Thanks for setting me straight on my beliefs. Now it's all clear. And nice answers to my questions.

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  117. Keith,

    I like what you said about God's physical nature being different in his own dimensionality. If that is what Paul means then I could accept his view. But you know, I just don't think that is what he means.

    About trinitarians, that is why I don't want any label, they never are clear. I always thought that meant people who believe in a thrice holy God. Notice Paul I didn't say gods. But yes I believe he has manifested to us in those ways. I still would like to know what you feel about how many dimensions and other thoughts.

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  118. Keith,

    To answer the question about God eating I just got this word...

    We know Buddha ate because of his weight. We know Muhammad ate because he is full of crap. We know Jehovah ate because of all the witnesses (get it??). But we aren't for sure about God the Father. But when Jesus was asked about His father eating he tried to tell his disciples that he did eat. When they heard this they were like, "no, way!!". But Jesus was like, "Yahweh".

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  119. Paul, That is what I've said all along. God is One. You are the one who tries to make the two, one. You even said that Jesus is the Spirit. I've said this before. In reality, you are the Trinitararian. You just mix the Word around to mask the deception.

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  120. Paul, That was the quickest left that I have ever seen.

    I will gladly answer your questions, but let's stay on track. Answer the question on the board, then we will continue.

    How you can recognize the multifaceted existence of man, but fail or refuse to recognize or acknowledge the multifaceted God, that created him, in his own image?

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  121. Welcome to the game William, the game of "can't answer the question so I'll cause a diversion" by Paul. He won't answer it directly. He will change the perimeter of the question or say you're saying something you're not, or just ask you which God and feel superior.

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  122. Well, I like to thank all of you for participating in such a neglected topic as the doctrine of God.
    Most blogs and so called Christians will not talk about the doctrine of God which is the most important doctrine, who is far above all other doctrines.

    To err on that doctrine is to believe in a false god, which in reality is the devil, because the devil is the god of this world (2 Cor. 4:4), and it matters NOT what name it has been given to the god of this world, whether Jehovah, Yahweh, Allah, Buddha, Y’shua or whatever name apart from JESUS who is the Christ is the god of this world, the devil, because the WHOLE world has gone after Him (John 12:19).

    OK. Keith, to the question, “ If the Father is God and Jesus is also God, then tell me, HOW MANY gods are there ?
    And you said, “ONE” !

    Please read the question again.

    You said that the Father is ONE God, AND Jesus is also ONE God of which by any reasonable mind must say that those TWO gods are TWO, yes TWO gods.

    But you are saying, they are ONE !

    Can you see ?
    This is what Thomas Jefferson and I and the Lord Jesus Christ and anyone of a sound mind will tell you that such a paradox as to say that TWO is ONE, is so incomprehensible to the human mind that no candid man can say he has any idea of it, and how can he believe what presents no idea. he who thinks he does , Start insertion, only, End, deceives himself. he proves also that man, once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind. With such persons, gullibility, which they call faith, takes the helm from the hand of reason and the mind becomes a wreck.

    Keith, that’s why we are in conflict.
    Because you say that TWO separate entities are ONE God.
    And if you can’t see it, then there has to be something drastically wrong with you.

    I think that you are an intelligent man, therefore the only conclusion is what the Scriptures has said about you and all of you who believe that lie, and Satan has lead astray ALL of you just as the Scriptures said (Rev. 12:9).

    Again, there is only repentance left for you my friend.
    No, you don’t need to excuse yourself, you need repentance and turn back to the Lord Jesus Christ and then you and your household will be saved.

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  123. That’s OK. Tim, someone needs to tell you. It seems to me that nobody in your church will tell you anyway.

    The Scriptures does NOT speak about God’s dimensionality, you are making the up.
    And it is so obvious that even blind Freddy can see that you don’t believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. When you speak about God, you always speak about another god other than the true God the Lord Jesus Christ (1 John 5:20 and Jerem. 10:10).

    If you would believe in the Lord Jesus Christ you would NOT ask how many dimensions does God have.
    Jesus Christ has created Adam in the same three dimensions as the Lord Jesus has (His image) (height, breadth and depth.)

    You said, “But we aren't for sure about God the Father. But when Jesus was asked about His father eating”

    Statements like that are obvious that you believe in TWO gods.

    No Tim, don’t tell me your cliche that you believe in ONE God even the demons believe that God is ONE (James 2:19).

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  124. William, let’s stay on track, I am talking about your many gods that you believe in, and NOT in the multifaceted existence of man.
    Remember, I am a representative of the SCRIPTURES, the Bible and the Lord Jesus Christ.
    The Bible does NOT speak about the multifaceted existence of man, not even of God.

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  125. Paul, so you refuse to answer my question. The Bible does state, quite clearly, on the multifaceted existence of man and God. God created man, body, mind, Spirit and soul, in his own image. We are to understand the height, the depth, the length and the breath of God's Love, through the Messiah. You admitted to the multifaceted existence of man,but you refuse to admit to the multifaceted existence of God, as the Bible states. In that case, who created the multifaceted man, in thier own image, if it wasn't God?

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  126. Paul, This is reason why you are considered deceptive. You elude or dodge questions that clearly show you wrong and/or back you into a corner or you even make things up or misrepresent the facts to do so. Why can't you just discuss these things? It's clear that you are not a true ambassador or representative of Jesus Christ because you lie, deceive and mislead, come on Paul, let's truthfully reason together.

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  127. Paul, going on what Keith is saying, if you would have just had a conversation with us then it would have been simpler. But you tell us we're wrong without much compassion. I love it when Jesus said I desire compassion over sacrifice. You try not only to sacrifice but to crucify us. Your witness is invalid if you do that with non believers. I know you will say that is what we are but we have clearly shown that we all believe Jesus is the Savior. We can't help it if in your mind with all those other voices that you can't hear the real word of God.

    If you would start by engaging with us instead of enraging us then we could understand each other more. But my prediction is all you do now is start your circular dissertation again.

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  128. Paul, We will not give up on you. Let's take this one point at a time.

    There is God

    God inhabits eternity. Isaiah 57:15

    He extends his Spirit into our space/time.

    Can we agree to that?

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  129. William, stay on track.
    It is no benefit for you whether you believe God has a heart or lungs etc. or not.
    But it really matters whether you worship one god through another god.
    Whether you believe in one God or in a trinity of gods, or even in TWO gods that is what matters.
    Therefore tell me, is God three persons, or one person ?

    By the word ‘person’ I mean entity. I do NOT mean heart, lungs, mind etc.

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  130. Keith, it is not honest for you to say that I misrepresent the facts.

    The fact is that you believe in at least TWO gods.
    Now, I have NOT yet been talking about your third god at this point of time.

    FACT !
    To the question, “ If the Father is God and Jesus is also God, then tell me, HOW MANY gods are there ?
    And you said, “ONE” !

    You said that the Father is ONE God, AND Jesus is also ONE God of which by any reasonable mind must say that those TWO gods are TWO.
    But you are saying, they are ONE !

    That is the fact and your fallacy, and therefore you need to repent.
    Yes Keith, you need to publically repent and not just in a backroom so that no one can SEE your repentance.
    And then publically CONFESS that from now on you will believe ONLY, and I say it again ONLY believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and worship Him alone.
    And as a testimony CONDEMN ALL other gods.
    Yes my friend, just as I do :-)
    Otherwise you have NO part in the ONLY KING JESUS Christ of Nazareth and in His Kingdom.

    And yes, I also will rejoice with all the angels of God over one sinner who repents.

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  131. Tim, The Lord Jesus Christ has called me to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ, and the gospel, (that which I preach) is foolishness to those who perish.

    There are many compassionate Buddhist, Christians etc. out there, but they do not preach the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Remember, the foolish virgins ALSO believed that Jesus is their saviour, and you know what Jesus said to them.

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  132. Does anyone else think this guy has a screw loose? If you believe in one and only one God, how in the world can you worship a God theough another God? It makes absolutely no sense nor logic, even to propose such a hypothesis.

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    1. He just will not accept that God the Father is Spirit and Jesus Christ is the One mediator between man and God.
      1 Timothy ch. 2 vs. 5 and 6 read:-
      'For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, Who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time,'
      He also appears to hate anything Jewish.

      Reminds me of another Austrian man many years ago.

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    2. Pretty much says it all, eh, Brenda!

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  133. Paul,
    See? You are judging us without righteous validity.

    The Bible is infallible. Jesus is the Christ.

    Neither is foolish to me.

    Jesus is the Father. The Father is the Spirit. The Spirit is Jesus. Not 3...but 1. It is not foolish to me. That is foolish to you. But you don't see that.

    What is foolish to me is what you say and do. Keith answered you and you then you say that isn't his answer. It makes sense to the rest of us.

    Your asherah pole is your obsession. You worship a name. You worship a body. You actually are a binarian. You think the name and the body are the gods. The father did lift the name of Jesus above all. The father did glorify the body of Christ. But neither was deified in and of itself.

    You don't give God respect when you limit Him. You think he is a measly human being, otherwise if we were made in his exact image we would be able to do everything he can. You have skipped over that many times now.

    William's point was great and you said it wasn't biblical. Well, Jesus said don't be afraid of the one who can kill the body but be afraid of the one who can kill both soul and body. That right there says we are at least two. Hebrews then says his word is sharp enough to divide soul and spirit, that means we are at least 3. I would venture to stop there since I see nothing else being spoken of. But God is even more. He can transcend time, Jesus turned water into wine. Wine takes a long time to produce and he did it with the wave of hand. He transcends space. Jesus appeared to his disciples behind closed doors. And he transcends laws of nature such as the ascension. You would make God sad face to face because he would wonder why you don't believe in his omniscience or his omni-presence, and by denying these two things you don't believe in his omnipotence.

    If you represent Jesus, then why do you not represent all of him?

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  134. Paul, no matter what you say, you'll never get any of us to believe in multiple gods. We believe in one God, the one and only God, YHWH. We are monotheistic, not a polytheist, like you.

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  135. Yes anonymous, tell that to yourself and to William, Keith, Brenda, Tim, Brandon, they all pray to a god they call Yahweh THROUGH another god called Y’shua, they even worship the god Yahweh THROUGH another god and then they say that those two gods are ONE GOD.

    Would you like me to give you their statements ?

    Tell me, are you also praying to a god called Jehovah and then bung on at the end of your prayer a cliche ‘in Jesus name’ ?

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  136. Tim, you said, “Jesus is the Father. The Father is the Spirit. The Spirit is Jesus. Not 3...but 1. It is not foolish to me. That is foolish to you. But you don't see that.”

    If they are NOT three but one, as you have said, then tell me WHICH ONE ?
    Is that ‘ONE’, Jesus ? or is it Jehovah ? or is it Yahweh, Allah, Buddha or WHO is IT ??
    Why are you avoiding to say His name ?
    Are you ashamed of His ONE and ONLY Name ?


    You said, “If you represent Jesus, then why do you not represent all of him?”

    Are you serious ? do you actually know what you are saying ?

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  137. Keith, I think you are talking about yourself.
    Even blind Freddy can see that I am condemning any other god apart from the TRUE God Jesus Christ (1 John 5:20).

    Look my friend, it is better if you would get the praises from God, rather than the praises from your commentators.

    Well my friend, I invite you to be a follower and a disciple of the true God Jesus Christ (Jeremiah 10:10).
    But remember, apart from repentance is NO salvation, I am willing to lead you to the ONLY ONE who can save you and that is my Lord and my ONLY God Jesus Christ (Jude 1:25).
    So please, you tell me, and then I will pray with you here on your blog a prayer of repentance, and don’t worry what they might think or say, it’s better to get the praises from the Lord of glory Jesus Christ than from man.

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  138. Paul, you can keep sounding like a clanking cymbal, but in the end you are lying to yourself. You believe in the trinity. You keep bringing it up. We believe and continue to attest that there is only one God. The one and only God is calling you to repentance. Quit deceiving and misrepresenting the facts and come home to God.

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  139. Paul,
    I have tried and will try again to explain it the easiest way I can. But, listen, if you can't understand this, then just accept the fact that you can't because you keep misrepresenting what we're saying.

    One God. As on my blog, there are many "names", "titles", "terms of endearment", and/or "roles" God has.

    The Father, Jesus, the Holy Spirit are the same. YHWH, Yeshua, Ruach HaKodesh are all the same. So when I say God, I mean all three names. So, yes, Jesus is the Father, of which I have said countless times. See how I said that? Now again, if you don't comprehend that I can't help you. But don't say that I don't believe in Jesus. No need to ever ask me that stupid question of yours again. Ever. Jesus is my Lord. He is God. HE is the Father. The Great I AM. The Alpha and Omega. But he is also the Christ, the Ha Mashiach. The Holy Spirit. Different aspect of God, different role, different reason, different persona.

    He can be this way because he is more than what we are. If we are all the same I can create, I can save people from destruction. Guess what? I can't.

    Amazing how you are not addressing the main topic of Keith's blog, about how God is outside our time and space. I would be ashamed to stand in front of God one day and say, Yes...I limited your existence to be as low as your creation.

    Do you think the painter is on the sane level as the painting?

    Now, we'll see if you answer anything or focus on what we all know you will focus on. How about an actual conversation?:

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  140. Nice Try Paul. I totally agree! Let's stay on track, if you can. I asked a simple question about your response concerning the multifaceted man, that a God created. Let me remind you. You agree to that concept. Now, please answer the follow up question, that you are trying to avoid.

    How can you recognize and agree to the multifaceted man, but do not recognize the multifaceted existence of the God, who created man, in his own image?

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  141. William, that’s NOT on track, it is the wrong track.

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  142. Nice try Tim :-)
    You might be able to read the Bible, but surely you don’t really think what the Bible actually says.
    Which church has told you all that stuff ?
    You think that you can throw all your ideas into a bucket and then call the bucked God, and then you hope that nobody can discern your ignorance.

    OK, I will tell you again, not only for your sake but for everyone else who reads that comment.

    In the Old testament nobody knew the NAME of God, that is because God’s ONE and ONLY Name had NOT been given in the Old Testament and therefore NOBODY knew His Name.

    In Exodus 3:13-14 MOSES wanted to know the Name of God. God said, ‘I AM Who I AM’.
    In Genesis 32:29 JACOB asked the Lord for His Name, (was NOT given).
    In Judges 13:17-18 MANOAH asked the Lord for His Name, ‘see it is wonderful’.

    God’s ONE and ONLY Name was first made known to mankind when He incarnated into His own creation in (Matthew 1:21 + 25) God said, you shall call His Name JESUS, (Immanuel, God with us).
    Only from that time on, all creation rejoiced because His ONLY ONE Name had been revealed (Acts 4:12) JESUS !

    And to say that YHWH is a name is plainly ignorant and stupid. That’s why the Lord Jesus Christ said in Jeremiah 4:22 “For MY people are foolish, They know Me NOT; They are a STUPID children, and have no understanding.”

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  143. Then how did they call on the name of the Lord Paul? I asked that a few times and guess what...you skipped that.

    And why is William in wrong track? He asked you a pertinent question that even goes down your twisted trail and you refuse to answer him.

    I have known atheists that are less irritating and understands the bible more than you.

    To be honest you're such a jerk it's unbelievable.

    What does talitha koum mean? Well, you should know, it's in English. What does eloi eloi lama sabachthani mean? It's in English.

    Come on smart guy, answer that. Jesus spoke in English as you say, then why is that said?

    You are a false teacher. I rebuke you and finally I will now refuse to answer or deal with you even on topics you have totally messed up.

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  144. To the rest, I am sorry for that outburst but in all sincerity I am sick of this guy profaning the Father. He has no clue. He lifts up Satan as the equal of God and that right there from the very first verse let's us know who he is from. He denies the Father and worships a human body. And then just twists everything into a web and has no idea how to answer anything.

    So with that I am totally done with him. I have way more to say but I am trying not to go down that road.

    Again I apologise to you all.

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  145. So then, you have all your anger outbursts in all sincerity.
    And who do you think would believe in your sincerity ?

    Does your anger outbursts achieve the righteousness of God ?
    You would do better to repent of your wicked ways and believe only in the Lord Jesus Christ and ONLY then you shall be saved (Mark 1:15).

    That which I say, I say this things so that you might be saved (John 5:34).

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  146. Tim,
    I do not believe you have anything to apologise for. I just think you have been truthful. If it were left to me I would simply ignore all the 'not nice and lacking of spiritual truth and brotherly love' comments from Paul and just enjoy the discussion on what Keith puts up on his blog posts.
    In fact, that is all I will do in future.
    Whatever he tries to remove from the scriptures - IT IS WRITTEN.

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  147. Tim, I totally agree with Brenda. Sometimes anger is justified. When we come here, on this blog, we expect reasonable conversation or dialogue. We anticipate true Christians to follow Acts 17:11, to receive all teaching, with all eagness of heart, but to search the Scriptures daily to see whether those things are so.

    Paul is prideful and does not follow scripture nor does he act scripturally. He treats the Bible as a joke, while claiming to be a representative of the Word of God. He constantly frustrates everyone with his constant flip-flops and his non-ambassador of Christ behavior.

    However, I think it is important to remember that our response shouldn't be anger or frustrate, even though justified, but sadness and sympathy for a lost soull. We must continually pray for him and try to show him the way to the leading of the Spirit.

    Unfortunately, in the end, he looks foolish to everyone that reads his comments. Even though he may be intellectual, he does not come across as such. Clearly, he is no ambassador of Christ. How can you be an ambassador of Christ, when you misquote him all the time? How can you be in an ambassador of Christ, when you misrepresent the truth of God? How can you be in ambassador of Christ, when you are deceptive in your tactics?

    Clearly, Paul is no ambassador of Christ. Definitely no ambassador of the Christ of the Bible. He teaches another Jesus, a non-biblical Jesus.

    That non-biblical Jesus is Paul's Asherah Pole.

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  148. The only reason I engaged with him this time is that the topic was related to what he does. We tried to show him that he has an asherah pole but he is spot on worshipping it.

    It's amazing though how every scripture he tries to use "for us" is a actually about himself.

    I am done engaging him unless he has an actual conversation.

    We understand his line of thought but he has no clue what we're saying. Heck I would even talk to him again if he actually answered a question or could admit there are things he doesn't know.

    He has self pride. He uplifts satan. He has qualities not being what I call demon obsessed...not possessed, obsessed.

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  149. Once again, my friend, we are in agreement.

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  150. Brenda, You said, “Whatever he tries to remove from the scriptures - IT IS WRITTEN.”

    What exactly is that which I am trying to remove from the Scriptures ?

    Even the devil said to my Lord whom I represent “IT IS WRITTEN” (Mat. 4:6).
    What do you expect his servants would say to to the Lord’s representative ?

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  151. Yes Keith, a house is NOT divided against itself, and you are very good to praise one another :-(

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  152. Interesting, you honour and praise one another, but to my Father who is in heaven Jesus Christ you do NOT give Him any praise or honour.

    You honour your father Yahweh and dishonour my Father the Lord Jesus Christ who has sent me to you. For, if you would honour Him, you would honour me also, but as it is, you honour and congratulate one another instead Him whom I claim to be my Father who is in heaven.

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  153. Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’

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  154. How strange Keith. I have made up my mind not to continue conversing with Paul, yet the scripture you have quoted had been brought to my mind. God has brought you to quote it. God's word doubled.

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  155. Good morning Brenda! Or should I say good afternoon since is just beyond noon there. 😎 Isn't it amazing how God touches the remnant in similar ways? However, shouldn't it also be expected from a God who is consistent and has been constant throughout the ages? I like your point. Even though Paul states that Satan said "For it is written", Jesus said it twice.

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  156. Good afternoon Keith :-) (12.30 mid day here.) Our God never ceases to amaze me.


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  157. Another thing Brenda. I wake up every morning with my phone giving me a verse of the day. It gave me

    "The word is a lamp into my feet, and a light unto my path."

    Over your past few comments here, you kept saying, "It is written". I believe that God is strengthening our position that if we stay in the Word of God, our paths will be lit and we cannot stray from the truth.

    While I was driving along, his voice came to me and said, "Be still and know that I am God ."

    I hope you have a great day!

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  158. Well, I don't want to pat you two on the back, nor do I want to out do you...but I agree with that statement because I thought of that when I was typing my rant.

    Interesting that this topic was brought up. Do you notice when satan was saying, "It is written", that he left some words out that the scripture said?

    Compare:
    16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, He went up out of the water. Suddenly the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and resting on Him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased!”

    with...

    3 The tempter came to Him and said, “If You are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

    Do you see any difference? I will let you think through it before I give my answer :)

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  159. That Word is spoken to me many times and I have always kept a little card with that scripture written on it on a shelf in my workroom. You too have a good day.

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  160. Come on Tim, it is your turn to share what you have been given to share :-)

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  161. Good morning Mr. Tim! I have always been intrigued by this exchange between Jesus and Satan, in the desert. I remember the first time it really clicked with me. Two things have always jumped out at me from these passages. First, for it to be a true temptation, Satan must have possessed the capability to deliver on his promise. Secondly, Jesus must have been able to except the temptation, thereby having the ability to sin.

    However, I don't think this is where you are going with this. So, my brother, please share with us what the Lord has given to you to teach and edify us this morning

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  162. I can hardly believe that as soon as my comment came up I noticed Keith had posted a similar request.

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  163. Satan said, IF, you are the Son of God.

    Right before this exchange The Father said to the world. This IS my beloved Son.

    First of all, satan tried to change it from IS to IF. But even more importantly satan left out the term "beloved". How was He beloved? By His father!!!!!!

    Satan tried to take this away from him. He tried to take the knowledge of Him being God's son away from him. This is what happens when you take scripture out.

    I don't know about you but this is big to me.

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  164. Wonderful, wonderful Tim. Isn't this what Satan has done right from the beginning - question God's Word,saying to Adam (fleshly mankind) 'Did God really say,?'

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  165. Absolutely Tim! Good catch! I have underlined the word, "IF". That is why we need to adhere to the strictness of the original language, when discussing the Scriptures and ignore hyperbole and the added language of those who attempt to lead us astray.

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  166. Keith,

    I have a different take on the temptation

    Kingdoms at his feet

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  167. I will read your post. "A different take". That's a great segue, Tim, into my next post. I'm hoping to have it done this evening. The seven levels of biblical nterpretation.

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  168. I totally agree, Brenda! Satan is very good at his deception. He's been practicing it for a very long time.

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  169. I agree with your post, Kingdom at his feet, Tim. With that said, I think people tend to fall into two groups, concerning Satan. One group says he has no power, while the other group says he is very powerful. In the end, it comes down to how much power we give Satan in our life. We are in control, by the power of God's Holy Spirit.

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  170. Yes Keith, my Father who is in have has said in Matthew 4:10 “Go SATAN ! For it is written, You shall WORSHIP the Lord your God, and serve Him only.”

    Notice, He didn’t say that you should worship Yahweh THROUGH someone called Y’shua ?
    And look, ALL believers worshipped my Father who is in heaven in Spirit and in truth (John 4:24 and Mat. 28:9).

    And NO ! they did NOT worshipped a god called Yahweh THROUGH the feet of the Lord Jesus Christ, but to the contrary, the took hold of His feet and worshipped Him.

    Yes Keith, they worshipped my Father who is in heaven, and why don’t you also worship Him ONLY ?

    And please tell me, do you also serve Yahweh THROUGH someone called Y’shua ?
    And also, which God is strengthening your position ?

    Just like the Muslims and all those who do NOT know God, they always say, ‘God is great, praise God, God said, God told me, God would not', God, God, God, and God again without actually saying his name.

    You seem to know a lot about Satan and not much about my heavenly Father Jesus Christ.

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  171. Clang clang clang.

    Keith,
    do you feel there are actual physical asherah poles today?

    Sometimes I feel like the Washington Monument is a disgrace. An obelisk in the middle of our capital. Kind of makes me cringe at times.

    Would you consider other worship buildings asherah poles?

    Just asking.

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  172. IT IS WRITTEN

    At the name of Y'shua, EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Y'shua ha Mashiach is Lord and Master, TO THE GLORY OF YAH, the Father.

    IT IS WRITTEN



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  173. Hey Tim, there are incidences where people have raised their church building above God himself. They raid the tithes, that belong to God, to the point of promising future tithes and putting them deep into debt. At that point, I would consider them Asherah Poles.

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  174. Clang Clang Clang... At first, I thought I heard "Maxwells Hammer", but it turned out to be Paul again. ha ha

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  175. 😎 LOL We have a Beatles fan, in the house. You're showing your age, anonymous.

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  176. Paul,

    IT IS WRITTEN

    Stephen, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of YAH, and Jesus standing at the right hand of YAH. And he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of YAH.”

    IT IS WRITTEN

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  177. Anonymous, interesting, you can hear “Maxwell’s Hammer” but you can’t hear the voice of God. That amazes me.

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  178. Keith, you said, “IT IS WRITTEN
    At the name of Y'shua, EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Y'shua ha Mashiach is Lord and Master, TO THE GLORY OF YAH, the Father.
    IT IS WRITTEN”

    No, that is NOT WRITTEN in the Bible.

    Do you really think that I and all of us who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ can NOT read the Bible ?

    And it is also WRITTEN !
    “(John 14:26) “But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My Name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.”
    (Luke 10:22) “All things has been handed over to Me by My Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.”
    (John 20:17) Jesus said to Mary, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.”

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  179. Keith,

    I remember when my church moved out to the township from the city. Some refused to go because they had a hard time saying goodbye to the building and actually stayed when another church bought it and moved in. They chose the building over the vision and message.

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  180. Paul, IT IS WRITTEN...you can't change that, even if you bury your head in the ground, like you normally do.

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  181. Than is right Tim, many people regard the building as the 'church', yet God says that He does not live in a house made with hands.

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  182. I agree with you William. We need to keep putting the Scriptures out, regardless of whether or not Paul ignores them or refuses to believe them.

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  183. Tim, I totally missed the first part of your question/comment. Yes I do believe there are literal Asherah Poles today. The first thing that comes to my mind are Christmas trees and the Easter bunny. They take many different forms. What are your thoughts?

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  184. William, I forgot. The Asherah poles for Paul are the English name of Jesus and the English Bible. As Tim has said, they are his obsession, instead of a relationship with God. You're find that with all "King James only" people. They hold the Bible up above all things. It is their idol or Asherah Pole.

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  185. Good morning Brenda! Isn't it amazing that people go to great links to build their physical buildings instead of putting their efforts into building the true church, the remnant of God?

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  186. William, obviously you don’t know what is WRITTEN, otherwise you would say what is WRITTEN.

    Ok. then I will remind you what it is WRITTEN.

    “You shall have NO other gods before Me.
    You shall NOT worship them or serve them; for I the Lord your God, is a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me.”

    Notice, there is ONE God and you shall NOT have another god next to Jesus Christ nor shall you pray to them or worship Jehovah or any other god except the Lord Jesus Christ ALONE (Mat. 28:9).

    Can you see, HE is not TWO persons or THREE persons, but ONE person the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

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  187. Keith, you said, “William, I forgot. The Asherah poles for Paul are the English name of Jesus and the English Bible.”

    It seems that you forget a lot of things my friend.

    The book of Alibaba and the forty thieves is NOT the Bible, you need to read the Bible, for the Bible is the Word of God and NO other book.
    On judgement day, the Lord Jesus will remind you what the Bible said and NOT what is written in the book of Alibaba and the forty thieves.

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  188. William, notice how Paul left out YHWH?

    You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, YHWH, your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me.

    Notice how Paul eliminates YHWH, revealing his hatred toward him. Also noticed what the verse says about those who hate him.

    Then he will tell you in his miss reading of John, that Jesus is the father. Notice how he changes the word 'in' to 'is'.

    Believe me when I say that I am IN the Father and the Father is IN me;

    He ignores the fact that many scriptures clearly show they are separate entities. However, as you and I have talked in the past, that is how Satan works. He changes little words to change the meanings in an effort to mislead people. That's how all deceivers work.

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  189. Keith,
    I see your point. Do you think that people worship the tree and/or the bunny as the asherah pole or just because people now have them as tradition? Jesus used tradition in part of his parables. So, I was wondering if it just having these things or if actually USING these things was an asherah pole. The difference I feel between say the Washington Monument is that that thing stands for something, a tree and a bunny really don't. Although, I can see your argument that they could be. No, I do not worship a bunny :) but is it wrong then to pass out candy at Halloween or give easter baskets, or even color eggs? See my point? Is it about how we do it or is it about that we just do it? Because that means our whole life is just one big asherah pole if we really looked at it...coffee in the morning, "date night", rock, paper, scissors (lizard, spock), traditional prayer over food, even communion could be.

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  190. Paul,

    IT IS WRITTEN

    YAH worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,

    We have been raised with the Messiah, the Annointed One, seek the things that are above, where Messiah is seated at the right hand of YAH.

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  191. Tim, let's break this down into small pieces and for a moment let's forget about Christmas and Easter being paganistic holidays and the fact that God gave us our holy days to celebrate which do not include Christmas and Easter.

    First of all, ask yourself what is the best thing about Christmas and Easter. Now, ask the majority of people what is the best thing about Christmas and Easter.

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  192. Paul, interesting, you can't hear “Maxwell’s Hammer” but instead, you only hear the sound of your own voice. That amazes me.

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