Thursday, August 10, 2017

Hazon Gabriel, God Has A Way Of Authenticating His Truth!

Did you know that there are some who say that Y'shua, Jesus, made up the idea of a dying and resurrected Messiah? Most mainstream Jews and Muslims actually say the there is no scriptural or cultural evidence that shows a picture of the Messiah, resembling the Messianic picture put forth by Y'shua, Jesus, within the 1st century Middle East. However, a recent archeological find, found in the same area as the Dead Sea Scrolls, has shown that the idea of two separate Messiahs, a suffering and a victorious/conquering Messiah, was indeed prevalent, within the scriptural and cultural society of the Middle East, specifically, within Israel and her surrounding communities.

Found in 2000, Gabriel's Revelation, also called Hazon Gabriel or the Jeselsohn Stone, is a three-foot-tall (one metre) stone tablet with 87 lines of Hebrew text written in ink, containing a collection of short prophecies written in the first person and dated  to sometime within the  1st century BC.

Amazingly, one of the prophesies specifically foretells of a man who would be would be killed by the Romans and be  resurrected in three days. This would be a prophesy written up to 100 years before the time of Y’shua, Jesus, just as the Romans were beginning to expand their empire into the Middle East.

As a side note, for those who deny the scriptural evidence, try looking into Isaiah 53 and Psalm 22, as starters.

So, next time someone tries to tell you that Y'shua, Jesus, and his followers, tried to introduce a new type of Messiah or a new line of cultural or religious thought into the Jewish culture, during the 1st century, remind them of the Hazon Gabriel, and remind them of their true Jewish Roots.

... and that's what you'll find, When You Search For The Truth.




102 comments:

  1. This is so cool! I have definitely heard that Jesus, his disciples and Paul made a new religion. This is another piece of evidence that shows that Christianity is not new, but just a continuation of Judaism.

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  2. Thanks, William! I totally agree. I totally forgot about what people say concerning Paul's supposed contribution or conversion of Messianic Judaism into Christianity. You are so correct that true Christianity, Messianic Judaism, is not new, but just a continuation of what God had given us from the beginning.

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  3. I like my hike or boy said another piece of evidence that proves that Christianity is not new.
    How the modern-day church or Christianity has put a wall up separating us from the very vine that we were grafted into.

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  4. Major typo I like what hiker boy said

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  5. You are dead on, Brandon. Satan has done a great job of insulating us from our roots. He has given us the shaft not the graft. In other words, the Christian church has been shafted, not Grafted.

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  6. I like that shaft and not the graft.

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  7. Hi Keith,
    have not been blogging much lately as we have been over to Ireland for ten days.
    As for what you have posted here, I think it is very obvious and agree that the whole of the Bible is one story not two, and the story is of reconciliation - through God's Spirit.
    What happened regarding Jesus was long ago prophesied, and for a purpose - that is reconciliation back to God for all of mankind through One Who atoned for the sins of all mankind.

    I believe that without the old testament we would not be able to be changed spiritually as we see in 2 Timothy ch. 3 vs. 16, 17.

    'All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.'

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  8. Hi Brenda, You were missed. I hope you and the family had a good time in Ireland.

    Isn't it amazing how even some "christians" don't believe it's one continuous story line. God Word definitely has an amazing continuity to it. Last night in Bible study, I made the comment that God amazes me that he maintains his path through all the static in our lives and throughout human history since before the beginning of time.

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  9. Aww... thank you Keith,
    although I don't think I have been contributing much to the blogs for a while, and have not been studying posts for a while.

    Yes I do find it amazing how many 'christians' do not see it as one continuous story, in which the gentiles are grafted into Spiritual Israel.

    Our son wants us to go and live in Ireland, but we are not sure. It is so strange, everything appears to be linking together as if we are to move there, our house went up for sale one day and a person offers to buy the next - but we are still not sure.

    I had a dream and three things happen as if I was being shown that it was the thief that was trying to have us move, and that what I was being directed to do by the Lord would be taken away if we did move. However, I had no scripture to confirm this.

    Could you pray for me please Keith that we shall only move if it is the Lord directing my path?

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  10. Absolutely, prayer just sent. Immediately, God said, her eyes will be opened to the path of my will. I will keep her safe and guide her as I always have. What is the first thing that just came to your mind? That is his path. It was amazingly clear. He will do great things through your testimony, even though it maybe a little bumpy for a while.

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  11. Thank you Keith,
    I am used to bumps - they have been my testing times.

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  12. Keith,

    Again, although I am not disagreeing with you, and no matter what I see would change my mind or heart about Jesus, I don't see what you are seeing.

    Gabirel's Revelation Tablet

    I see nothing about Romans. If I skipped over the word please in all sincerity show me.

    This finding is so choppy I don't know how any one can understand it without speculation.

    I would love to understand it. The words "three" and "exile" appear a few times. What do those stand for? But this line intrigues me the most: "Seal up the blood of the slaughtered of Jerusalem." Do you think that is the prophets of old and the martyrs or something?

    I want this to be accurate and real but again I don't see how this can help prove anything about Jesus.

    Now don't take me wrong. I enjoyed this article and reading about it. I believe it very well could be a great find for Christianity, and already a great archaeological find. I just don't want to add speculation and then it proven to be a fraud like the shroud of Turin perhaps is (I left that open to the reader to decide). Or I also don't want to add speculation which can never be proven given fuel to an atheists fire (the first one they will feel) and say we are just finding what we want to see.

    Thanks for the posting.

    PS. I deleted the first comment because it had the link to my google account which is not an actual account.

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  13. Hey Tim, I have not translated it myself. I was going by what was said of the tablet, on Wikipedia. Notice the end of the first paragraph at the following link.

    Gabriel's Revelation

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  14. Hi Keith, well, I mostly agree with Tim, it seems to me that it is just another shroud of Turin deception. Gabriel's Revelation and the dead sea scrolls are not Scriptures, ONLY the Bible is the Scriptures or the Word of God and is suitable for instruction and correction.

    Muslims and Jews and Jehovah's Witnesses are the same, just unbelievers like you. Because they believe in a god, that doesn’t make them children of God.

    You see, he who is IN Christ Jesus is a NEW CREATION.
    He is neither Jew nor Greek nor Muslim etc. he is a NEW CREATION, old things have past away behold all things are new.
    He does NOT have his roots in national Israel or in any other nation at all, but in Christ alone who is God over all (Rom. 9:5).

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  15. Paul,
    Yes and no. I think it COULD be found as unconnected with scripture. I didn't say it was. The dead sea scrolls contain part of the canon so to say they are not scripture is to say too much. There is some scripture we have never found as Corinthians tells us. I am not saying the Gabriel Revelation is scripture but it could add scientific validity to the historical accuracy scientists feel they need. I just don't see it from what I read.

    As to our roots: our spiritual root is in Christ, amen, but He communicated these spiritual things on Hebrew and now they have been translated to the rest of the world. Just like the Rosetta Stone this COULD help date and validate things to the world.

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  16. A quick revelation, for you, Paul. Not all scripture can be found in the Bible. God told both Daniel and John to seal up things for the end times. These things, which are not in the Bible, are revealed to those who put their trust in and pursue God.

    You see, Paul, we relish in this interaction, resulting from the paternal relationship between our Father and us, the sons of God or children of God. We enjoy searching out matters, the hidden things of God, as spoken of, in his Word. So, what if we chase down something that is bogus? The fact is that we enjoy and desire to pursue God, bathing continuously in his presence, whether it be in prayer, his Word or something in nature that clearly points out that there is a creator or that the Word of God is true and inerrant. God uses these things to bolster our faith that we have already shown in him.

    You are bogged down so much with this name game, that you miss the pleasures of that relationship.

    You see, we walk with God. I believe you, too, want to walk with God, instead of badgering people on whether they use the English, Hebrew, Swahili, or whatever Son of God name you choose. Jesus is Y'shua, Yeshu, etc. A rose by any other name is still a rose and it's presence is just as sweet, my friend.

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  17. Tim, you and I have disagreed on a few things,in the past. However, as a testimony of Echad Ruach Elohai, we have always been able to reason with each other, whether or not we agree in the end. We find that with all who are one with the Spirit of God. Amen!

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  18. Well Keith, I consider you to be an intelligent friend, and even you can see that your comment is a lot of nonsense.

    Tell me, how can you search out the hidden things God if you can’t see the obvious things ?
    And tell me which God are you talking about ?
    Are you talking about Allah ? or is it Jehovah ? or perhaps Yahweh ? well, I even suspect Krishnah ?
    And WHICH one of those gods is your Father ?

    You see my friend, you need to clear up your confusion first and then the TRUE GOD the Lord Jesus Christ will lead you into ALL the truth.

    Look, there is only one way.
    Start from scratch ! The most important step is that you REPENT from YOUR ways, confess your sins to the Lord Jesus Christ and He will make your crooked path straight and He will lead you into all the truth.

    Look my friend, your false gods can’t do it, and neither can they save you.
    You are wasting your time with those useless gods.
    Turn to the Lord Jesus Christ with all your heart and then you shall be saved.

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  19. Stay on topic Keith, don't bother with the circular argument here. Let him keep it on his own blog or only if it applies here. And it doesn't.

    We may disagree on things but it will all work out in the end.

    We definitely agree that not all scripture is out there. 1 Corinthians explains that quite well as do John and Daniel as you mentioned.

    I really want this to be real and authentic. But I can't use it in any argument as a point to be made without more detail. I wasn't for sure what you wanted me to look at in the one post about "Notice the end of the first paragraph at the following link." Did you mean the Dead Sea Scroll link on Wikipedia? I don't know if that helped or not with this topic. I believe in the Dead Sea Scrolls as authentic just based on dates, history, and how it was found and stuff. I am hoping to say that about this tablet. I just don't understand what it is saying since it is so choppy.

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  20. I understand where you are, Paul. At one time, in all of our lives, we stand, at a point, where we think we have arrived and we know everything. Honestly, until you enlist the help of Gods Holy Spirit, you can't even begin to seek the hidden things of God. Your attitude, alone shows this is exactly where you are. I will continue to pray for you.

    As for the subject of this blog, have you even investigated this stone or even the Shroud of Turin, for yourself? Or have you built your belief system, the same way, you build your doctrines? I I'll continue to pray for you. By the way, do you know the lesson of the Asherah Poles?

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  21. I appreciate your point, Tim, and I agree with you.

    As for the link, the Wikipedia article states,

    "One of the stories allegedly tells of a man who was killed by the Romans and resurrected in three days."

    This article references

    "Yardeni, Ada (Jan–Feb 2008). "A new Dead Sea Scroll in Stone?". Biblical Archaeology Review. "

    And

    "Ethan Bronner (2008-07-05). "Tablet ignites debate on messiah and resurrection". New York Times. "

    We will have to chase down those references.

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  22. Tim, I read your link. Look at verses 80-82. It's very clear that it's messianic, with references to the prince of princes being commanded to rise from the dung crevices. Aren't dung crevices early Judaic talk for the grave.

    Keith, I'm also agree with Tim. I don't see any references to the Romans, other than they were the big power during the time of its writing.

    Tim and Keith, it doesn't matter if it says Romans or not. The point made, by post, was that Jesus and his followers didn't make up the suffering and resurrected messiah. It was a common belief before and during that time. Isn't that what the Dead Sea scrolls tell us anyway?

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  23. Keith, I’m not tossed around with every wind of doctrine, and as an EX- Roman Catholic I surely know that the shroud of Turin is just another deception which leads the ignorant further into the antichrist deception.

    And the Scriptures (the Word of God) is complete, it doesn’t need to be supported or confirmed by any other scripts, especially not the dead sea scrolls.

    It is the Bible that will lead you to Jesus, and other scripts will only tickle your ears and make you puffed up with what is falsely called knowledge.


    You said, “until you enlist the help of Gods Holy Spirit,”
    My Bible said that God IS the Holy Spirit (John 4:24), how then can God have a Holy Spirit when He IS the Holy Spirit ?

    You said, “By the way, do you know the lesson of the Asherah Poles?”
    No my friend, but I know the lesson for not believing in the Lord Jesus Christ and proclaiming another god.
    Remember, Isaiah said that it is JESUS who shall be called mighty God.
    Now tell me which God is your mighty God ?

    It makes sense, if Thomas called JESUS his Lord and his God (John 20:28), then why don’t you call Jesus your only God ?

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  24. William, I stand corrected. :-) Very good points! I should have checked that, before publishing. I totally agree that the main point is that the belief was not only comtemporary to Y'shua, but for, according to the carbon dating, at least 12 years and possibly up to 156 years, before the time of Herod. As a side note, I'm a little sceptic on carbon dating. I wasn't aware that carbon dating could be that accurate.

    As for the Dead Sea Scrolls, I agree that it shows apocalyptic beliefs at the time of Y'shua.

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  25. Paul, I totally agree that the Scriptures are sufficient to know Jesus and the plan of salvation. However, are they complete? No! A great example of this is Jude's reference to the book of Enoch, among other examples. I hate to ask this, but where in the world do you even get that idea?

    As for the Dead Sea Scrolls or the shroud of Turin, I am absolutely positive that if it supports your doctrine, you'd be all over it.

    As for the lesson of the Asherah Poles, it would be well worth your while to look into it. A very important lesson God gave to man, especially Israel and the church. It would be a great test of the Spirit that lives within you, since you have all knowledge of the Lord.

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  26. Right Keith. We have the beauty of the cross and the plan of salvation given to us. We have enough to have that relationship with Jesus and enough to be called children of God. But we do not have all the written scripture. 1 Corinthians 5:9 says: "I wrote to you in my letter not to keep company with sexually immoral people." The word "wrote" means he had already written earlier than the letter being written to them at the time. I am sure Paul wrote more. I am sure Peter wrote more. Andrew, James, even Thomas could have and probably wrote things that can be considered scripture. But we just don't know. Jesus even quoted stories of the time and used them as scripture.

    The Dead Sea Scrolls include a lot of the canonized scripture. They have been validated for their date and nothing goes against the story of Christ. The shroud of turin has some discrepancies and could be anybody. I can't denounce it but I can't accept it.

    Paul, I know you won't answer but when were the scriptures completed?

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  27. Keith, I know that you don’t believe that the Scriptures are complete, and for that reason you are adding to Scriptures, and you are taking away whatever it suits you.

    As for me, I believe that the Scriptures are complete in the 66 books of the Bible. Any other books or texts or writings is NOT the Word of God and has NO authority in any respect.

    If any man includes extra biblical writings in his theology or testimony; that is because he does NOT understand the Scriptures and neither does he know God or have any revelation of anything in the Spirit of God.
    Such a man needs to be born again just as the Lord Jesus has said in John chapter 3. Or else, he can NOT SEE, or ENTER.

    Because Jesus quoted the man Enoch, that does NOT mean that the book of Enoch is God’s Word. After all, Enoch wasn’t in the line of the sons of God anyway.

    I told you before, I do NOT have my own doctrines. Why then would the dead sea scroll support my doctrines if my doctrines are the Lord’s and the Apostles doctrines.

    Look my friend, the most important lesson is to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
    If you do NOT believe in Him, ALL your doctrines are man made doctrines, that is because you exclude the Lord Jesus Christ and therefore your doctrines are NOT true.

    By that I mean, that you should NOT believe ALSO in the Lord Jesus Christ, but ONLY in the Lord Jesus Christ, since the whole world believes ALSO in the Lord Jesus Christ.

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  28. The problem with that Paul is that 66 books weren't decided on as being the canon for a long time. And as I said the apostle Paul had written Corinthians before. Would that be considered scripture if we found it?

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  29. Enoch wasn't in the line? Luke 3:37 says he was. If he wasn't then Noah wasn't, Abraham wasn't, and neither was Adam.

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  30. Well done Tim ! :-) a real compliment for checking up the Scriptures. :-)
    I’m very pleased to hear that :-)

    Luke 3:37, Enoch the son of Methuselah.
    Genesis 5:22 and Enoch walked with God three hundred years.
    Yes he surely was a man of God.

    Tell me, was Jesus talking about Enoch from Adam’s line (Genesis 5:18), or was He talking about Enoch from the serpents line (Genesis 4:17) ?
    Or was He talking about another Enoch all together ?


    About the book of Corinthians;
    You see Tim, you need to see the Bible as the Word of God, or the Word of Jesus Christ and NOT the word of Paul.
    Therefore it doesn’t matter who wrote what and when. It is Jesus Christ in the Spirit who compiled the Scriptures of 66 books into one book called the Bible.
    And yes, that is the complete revelation to mankind and you don’t need anything more.

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  31. Paul,
    If you notice what scripture Jesus was quoting, it is Matthew 5:5. The book of Enoch chapter 6 talks about the elect inheriting the earth. Jude though directly says things from Enoch 1:9.

    So to answer your question is this:
    If Jesus and Jude quoted Enoch why would they choose to quote a man who was not of God? Now you added that Cain is of the serpent, which is not Biblical but just your opinion based on your speculation. To say that all from Cain are evil is to say that then all from Seth are good. Neither is true. We are choose our lives. But anyway let's just say you are correct, then would Jesus quote or allow Jude to quote from a man born of the serpent?

    Either way Enoch if quoted has to be righteous or Jesus would not give him any say. Such as when Jesus was being tempted did He quote an evil person to fight satan's temptation? No. He used the word of God.

    The Bible went through a few "completions". For 20 years nothing else was written after Paul died and then here comes John writing Revelation. What did the early church do before they received all of Paul's writings? If he only wrote to the Galatians (first one he wrote) what did the Ephesians do until he got there and wrote to them? What about Phillip? Do you think he was silent? Are Peter, Paul, and John the only Apostles we accept as writers?

    And your point about Corinthians makes no sense. If Paul wrote to the Corinthians at least 3 times then why do we only accept 2 of the letters? Did Jesus only give Paul wisdom for 2 letters to them but did not give it to him for the third which actually was the first one.

    Then a few hundred years later even more scripture was found and debated on. Was that when the scripture was completed? Then a few hundred years later even more were debated on.

    As I stated before and agree with Keith and I think even you, that yes we have the plan of salvation. We have the message of our Messiah. Do we need more? Perhaps no. But to have more would be oh so nice, to be able to read about Him even more. Remember what John said...the world couldn't hold all He had done in writing.

    So in conclusion, Enoch would be the line of Christ, 7th from Adam. The scriptures may still be out there. But we just can't use new findings and accept them until we know it is from God.

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  32. Thanks Tim for saying that. All though I do not see it like that.
    I see the written Word of God the Bible to be written by God which is Jesus Christ and not by Paul or Jude or Matthew, Mark, Luke or John etc.
    Remember the Bible is called the Word of God and not the Word of Paul or Peter.

    If you don’t see it like that, then you could not have any confidence in God’s Word. For who would trust in Paul ? Peter or any other man ? All men are fallible but God alone is not. By “God”, I mean the Lord Jesus Christ.
    And for that reason many letters of Paul and other Apostles were not included in the Scriptures and neither was the book of Enoch, just simply because it’s not the Word of God.

    You see, all Scriptures are by the inspiration of God and the book of Enoch is not inspired by God, therefore I do not believe it.
    And the Bible doesn’t say that Matthew 5:5 is a quote from Enoch and neither do I believe that Jude quoted the Book of Enoch, otherwise the Bible would need to say so.
    I think that the Bible stands by itself and does not quote other books.

    So, when Jesus said something, then that which He has said is the Word of God because He is that God who wrote the Bible, it is His Word.

    If you don’t trust that the Bible is the complete finished Word of God, then you are open to every deception the devil will throw at you. And neither can you be teachable because you will accept any other writings to justify your doctrines.

    Only when the Bible was compiled into the 66 books the written Word of God was completed and NOT to be added or taken away from.
    All the disciples of the Lord Jesus spoke by the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ just the same as me, they didn't had a Bible, the Word of God was in their heart and on their lips.
    The Bible is written for those who will not put up with sound doctrines, just as the Scriptures foretold that the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrines. (2 Tim. 4:3).

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  33. Once again, Paul, I must ask the question, where do you get that idea? The idea of a completed scripture or Bible. It's definitely not from the Bible.

    You constantly say that Enoch, the third book of Corinthian's, etc. are extraneous. However, you have no problem of adding things like Eve having sex with Satan and having a child called Cain, which is nowhere in the Bible to be found.

    The fact is that you have no problem adding things to the Bible, when it fits your fancy or should I say fantasy.

    I am glad that you are finally adding in the words, "I believe". Because that is what it is, a belief, not a truth found in the Bible.

    By the way, name one thing that I took away from the Bible. You cannot state one incident, I took something away from the Bible, ior added.

    All these things on my site are additional information, found outside the Bible and I have been quite clear on that.

    Now, with all that said, answer my one question. Where did you get the idea of a completed scripture? It's not a hard question to answer, if you speak the truth of God.

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  34. Paul, In one of your comments, you said,"I told you before, I do NOT have my own doctrines. Why then would the dead sea scroll support my doctrines if my doctrines are the Lord’s and the Apostles doctrines."

    Wow! I freely admit that I don't know all there is concerning Christian positions and literature, including the Bible, but I would really like to know any reference from anywhere that shows that the your doctrine resembles any of the apostles or Jesus.

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  35. Keith, you said, “Now, with all that said, answer my one question. Where did you get the idea of a completed scripture? It's not a hard question to answer, if you speak the truth of God.”

    Obviously, if you should NOT ADD or TAKE AWAY from the Scriptures, then all of us who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ know that the Scriptures are complete, so that NOTHING needs to be added or taken away. It’s the total revelation for men to know with the leading of the Holy Spirit.
    And by “the Holy Spirit”, I mean the Lord Jesus Christ for He is the Holy Spirit (2 Cor. 3:17).
    Or, if you would believe that, I can say that the Lord Jesus Christ has told me so.

    You see, the Lord Jesus Christ does NOT want everyone to know and understand His Word the Bible. Only to those He has granted to understand will understand, and the rest will be in darkness. Yes, they can read it, but they will NOT understand it, and Jesus said, Matthew 11:25 “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and revealed them to infants.”

    Keith, that is you. It is YOU who adds another person to the ONLY God Jesus Christ (Jude 1:25) and you call him Yahweh.
    It is YOU who said that my Bible is erroneous and then you add your own doctrines into it.

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  36. William, there are really only TWO christian position, the true one and the false one.
    If you really know the true Christian position, then you can easily identify the fallacy.

    You see, a man of God must be taught of God (John 6:45) and NOT of men, otherwise he promotes the doctrines of man which are in conflict with the doctrines of God.

    If you would know the doctrine of the Apostles, then you would know that my doctrines are the same.
    Therefore I will ask you for a simple statement, what is the doctrines of the Apostles ?
    Remember, there is such a thing as FALSE apostles.

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  37. Paul,
    where you refer to Matthew 11:25:-
    “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and revealed them to infants.”

    I really find it amazing that anyone could be so indoctrinated not to see that here Jesus is speaking
    to another One - His Father.

    Ephesians ch. 1 vs. 15 - 23 says it all regarding Jesus and His Father God, and how we are taught not by man, but by His Spirit of wisdom:-

    'Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, the eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come.
    And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.'

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  38. Brenda, don't let him pull you into that topic. This is not about who God is or who Jesus is. It's about the tablet. I know it's tempting but let him keep his spew on his own blog.

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  39. Yes, that is you are right Tim. I think my main reason was the temptation to provide written evidence of the truth for those who may be looking for it. I think the tablet is going together with what is written in the Bible a day what is confirmed through the Holy Spirit.

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  40. Yes, you are right Tim. I think my main reason was the temptation to provide written evidence of the truth for those who may be looking for it. I think the tablet is going together with what is written in the Bible that is confirmed through the Holy Spirit.

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  41. I had to put this comment up again because of predictive text adding words, and I could not delete my first comment - maybe because I did it from my phone.

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  42. Paul, first of all I can't believe I waste my time actually reading your comments. For not one thing you have said has edified anyone!

    You said:
    I see the written Word of God the Bible to be written by God which is Jesus Christ and not by Paul or Jude or Matthew, Mark, Luke or John etc.

    Then you said:
    You see, all Scriptures are by the inspiration of God...
    If it wasn't written by men physically then who did God inspire to write it? Did he inspire himself?

    You said:
    f you don’t trust that the Bible is the complete finished Word of God, then you are open to every deception the devil will throw at you. And neither can you be teachable because you will accept any other writings to justify your doctrines.

    Doesn't matter if scripture is complete or not, if your doctrine is not scriptural to begin with you are already deceived, which also you seem to be guilty of and you've also defined your problem you can't be taught cause your doctrines are not scriptural.

    You said:
    Obviously, if you should NOT ADD or TAKE AWAY from the Scriptures, then all of us who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ know that the Scriptures are complete, so that NOTHING needs to be added or taken away.

    How is that obvious? This does not define in any way that something is complete! That's a command that you should not add or take away, so no I don't think anyone just knows the scripture is complete by reading a command. Which once again brings us back to how you make huge assumptions and completely twist the scriptures.

    But now my expectation is to get a response that is totally off the wall and told to you by Jesus that is just going to get everybody here further from the subject of discussing how great the things of God are, and encouraging each other in a deeper walk and study of his word which you have already defined we teach doctrines of the devil!

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  43. Paul,

    I'm not compromising but I will take the middle road on your comments here. I do have some agreement with you. But I have to bring to light the things that we disagree with.

    Such as: Yes, The Holy Spirit (Jesus) did give instruction to these people. It is not their words. They are the word of God (Jesus). I don't think anyone here would ever disagree with that. But the question is---is this all the Holy Spirit said to them? Why would one letter to Corinthians not be scripture but the other would, especially when the one mentions the other? Why would the Spirit allow Paul to write that?

    Just because Jesus said it, does that mean it becomes scripture? If Enoch wrote it and then Jesus said it does that mean it is only scripture because Jesus said it? What is Jesus told Mary He had to pee-pee, does that mean it automatically becomes the word of God? You don't believe Enoch was inspired, but that is your opinion. if nothing in Enoch contradicts the word of God, then why not test it?

    And on a side note...did you ever think that 2 Tim 4:3 is referring to you?

    When were the 66 books finalized? Because I am sure John did not have 65 books on hand when he wrote Revelation. I am sure that for close to 100 years that the world did not have the full gospel or all the writings yet. So, when they decided to keep only 66 books in essence some were added and some were omitted, and they did that after Revelation said not to do that.

    My point is, we trust that God gave His full gospel. I believe we have the whole story. But do we have all of the Apostle's words that were given to them? That...we do not know. But as Keith pointed out Daniel's words are incomplete to be locked away until end times. Paul wrote more that we do not have. And you know that Simon (the other one, not Peter) being a Zealot most likely had to have written something. When is a zealot quiet?

    To have even more to read about our Savior, whether it is inspired or just inspirational (like the Tablet if real) makes our relationship even sweeter.

    And to the world who does not believe without proof, things like this tablet could be a segway into a relationship because he meets us where we are and THEN changes us.

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  44. Hi Brenda, in regard to Matthew 11:25, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and revealed them to infants.”

    That’s exactly you Brenda. You are the wise and intelligent, and it is you who claim to have the mind of Christ.
    You are so wise as to give thanks to a god called Yahweh for giving you another god called Y’shuah.
    And it is your intelligence who allows you to pray to this unbiblical god called Yahweh THROUGH another god whom you now call Y’shuah, which is a direct transgression of the first and the second commandment of the Lord Jesus Christ who is the ONLY God (Jude 1:25).

    Well Brenda, there is only repentance left for you.
    Remember, it is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

    And don’t think that I hate you Brenda; to the contrary, only someone who loves you will tell you the truth, all others will flatter with their speech on the brought road to destruction.

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  45. Brandon, you better believe it when the Lord is talking to you.
    The Lord Jesus Christ is calling you to repentance from your wicked ways and believe in Him alone, and forsake all other gods and then you shall be saved.

    The Lord Jesus Christ does NOT edify you and neither do I when you are on the way to destruction. Edification is for those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and in NO other.

    You said, “You see, all Scriptures are by the inspiration of God...
    If it wasn't written by men physically then who did God inspire to write it? Did he inspire himself?”

    I did not say that it wasn’t written by men physically, and yes, it was the Lord Jesus who inspired them to write exactly that what He intended to say, word for word and He choose to put into His written Word The Bible.
    For that reason we are without excuse, and Jesus said, “it is written”.
    Therefore it is for all of us to believe and heed to that which is written and NOT just acknowledge.


    You said, “Doesn't matter if scripture is complete or not, if your doctrine is not scriptural to begin with you are already deceived, which also you seem to be guilty of and you've also defined your problem you can't be taught cause your doctrines are not scriptural.”

    Well, that would be true, but who has told you that my doctrine is not Scriptural ?

    Concerning the Bible (Scriptures);
    If there is NOTHING to be ADDED and to be TAKEN AWAY, that means that it is COMPLETE.
    Look Brandon, it’s not complicated ! Just believe !

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  46. Yes Tim, we will always disagree in many things, but there is one thing which we should NOT disagree, and that is the doctrine of God. The doctrine of God is the foundation of all Christianity and it is that doctrine which divides the sheep from the wolves.
    If we disagree on minor doctrines is not the worst thing, but to disagree on the doctrine of God is a matter between life and death.

    Concerning 2 Tim. 4:3, well, you judge for yourself whether that applies to me.
    Remember, verse 4, they will turn away their ears from the truth.

    Just as I always have said, that does NOT mean, turning away from their doctrines of which they think are truth, no ! but turning away from the Lord Jesus Christ who IS the TRUTH (John 14:6).

    They will turn to OTHER gods like Jehovah, Allah, Yahweh, Y’shua or whoever else, and for that reason the wrath of God is on them who believe in anyone of those gods.

    As for you, you need to repent and turn away from those gods and come to the Lord Jesus Christ and believe in Him alone and in NO OTHER.


    You said, “My point is, we trust that God gave His full gospel.”

    NO you don’t !
    Otherwise you would NOT look to extra biblical writings or texts etc.

    I believe and know that the Bible is sufficient to instruct you in every doctrine there is.
    Other books and texts will only lead you away from the Lord Jesus Christ to other gods who are not really God.

    You said, “ Paul wrote more that we do not have. And you know that Simon (the other one, not Peter) being a Zealot most likely had to have written something. When is a zealot quiet?”

    Yes Tim, but again, we are NOT interested what Paul has to say, or whatever any zealot has to say. We are only interested what God has to say.

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  47. Paul, you do realize that was one very elusive non-answer? The fact is that you can't biblically defend your positions/doctrines..

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  48. Paul,
    I will skip some of what you said because I am not repeating myself or going down the road you want me to go. But I repented a long time ago and have been in the grace of Jesus ever since. I completely trust the word of God is 100% truth. I never said I "look to extra biblical writings or texts etc.". You said it about me. I did not. I believe in sola scriptura. But something like the tablet could be a scientific/archaeological find that would be neat to have as an accurate piece of history, such as if we found the Ark of the Covenant. We don't need the Ark at all but it would be neat to find. Books that I read I understand as opinions only and I must weigh what they said. My favorite minister of God is Joseph Prince (Singapore). I kind of consider him my pastor even though he is 4000 miles away. I would trust his books but I still don't believe everything he says as 100% accurate. But I believe he is inspired by God in his sermons and studies.

    Your answer about Paul's writing was pretty lame, for lack of a better word. If Paul's other writings were inspired by God then we would care about it. The question at hand is why can't we find these writings? If we found them and they were 100% authentic and if they never (not even one ounce) disagreed with any other scripture whatsoever, would you accept it as a lost piece of scripture? I am sure you and your bull-headedness would say no. You forgot to address the issue of dates. The early church used certain books. The first church of Christians (Antioch and Jerusalem) did not have all 66 books. So technically they "added" to scripture. Hundred years later or so some scripture like 2 Peter was on the same list as "Gospel of the Hebrews" but only 2 Peter was chosen to be "canonized". Maybe they omitted scripture. Then Jude was not accepted but then "added". If Simon, an Apostle of Jesus, was inspired by Jesus to write a gospel but we don't have it then we may not have it all. If they write down what God told them...isn't that scripture since they were Apostles? Or do we only believe Paul, Peter, and John?

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  49. Paul,
    where Jesus refers to His Father hiding things from 'the wise and intelligent', these are those who try to understand the scriptures with the carnal mind and not the mind of Christ - who can not understand and accept the truth of the written Word and what Jesus speaks. They are those who do not become children of God, brethren of Christ, through being born of God's Holy Spirit.
    It is the Spirit of God that leads us into all truth, not man. I love Jesus my Lord, the One mediator between man and God. Sadly, His truth and power are being made void in many 'church gatherings' through the traditions of man.

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  50. Keith, I’m only addressing the obvious things, those things which will benefit you and make you wise unto salvation.

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  51. Tim, If you believe in ‘sola scriptura’ then you don’t need other texts, “sola” means ONLY.
    What do you think would happen if they find the Ark of the Covenant ?
    They surely would worship it just as they worship their false gods like Yahweh etc.

    OK. I say it again, the Bible alone is the Word of God and nothing else, everything else is foolish speculation. Only those who don’t trust the Bible are looking somewhere else.

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  52. Brenda, in a lot of things I agree with you, but on the most important things we differ.
    You need to work on that.

    The doctrine of God is the most important doctrine there is, if you transgress that doctrine, ALL your other doctrines and ideas don't profit you anything.

    Remember, it is God given common sense to understand that YOU or anyone else can NOT become a son to God or a son to anyone else, no matter how hard you try.

    A son is ALWAYS born of his father, and he cannot change that fact.
    Now, if you can’t see that, then you are not able to understand anything of the Scriptures and you are still in darkness.

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  53. Paul,

    Show me where I say I need more than the Bible. Oh? What's that? You can't? Gee I wonder why. Oh...that's right, I never said that. I know what sola scritpura means, Paul. You are a very condescending person.

    Some may worship if they find the ark. I never said I would. I would praise God that we found it because of His majesty and I imagine it was beautiful. But I would only admire it for historical purpose.

    And the last part, you're doing what you always do; you can't defeat what was said so you lessen the importance of what was said and do not address the issue. I asked you a specific set if questions. You refuse to even use the multiple choice I gave you. And you can't say it is silly talk or non-profitable because you still mentioned the topic. That just meant you can't answer it because you know it doesn't help YOUR side of the discussion.

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  54. Paul,
    it was the Spirit in Jesus that was God. Jesus was the first born of many brethren. When we are born of God's Spirit, through believing in Jesus, we are taught God's ways and receive everlasting life.
    The first Adam was of the flesh, the last Adam was a life - giving Spirit. It is the flesh that has to die.

    Jesus was the One mediator between man and God. When we believe in Jesus and are born of the Spirit then we have everlasting life.

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  55. Paul, have you ever heard of foot in the mouth disease? You have it bad! Let me educate you with the facts.

    Sola scriptura is a Christian theological doctrine which holds that the Christian Scriptures are the sole infallible rule of faith and practice. It also states that secondary material is only authenticated, (NOT DENIED) in the light of Scripture.

    That is how we operate and know that your man main doctrine is not of God because it cannot be authenticated by scripture.

    Also, by invoking sola scriptura, you are authenticating exactly what we've been saying, in this post, all along. The scripture is for salvation and to help getting to know God, on a more personal level.

    When you misquote or misrepresent the scriptures, or even misrepresent something someone says, you are going against Sola Scriptura, especially Romans 1.

    When something like the Gabriel Tablet comes along and supports the scriptures, then you should rejoice and be edified, not badger someone based on your man made and erroneous doctrine.

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  56. No Brenda, there isn’t a part of Jesus who is God and another part of Jesus who is NOT God.
    You see, Jesus Christ is the only one and complete GOD incarnate, or appeared in a body (1 Tim 3:16). He didn’t leave the Father behind, it is the Father who appeared in a body.

    The Father and Jesus are NOT TWO, Jesus is the Father just as Isaiah foretold (Isa.9:6) that Jesus will be called mighty God and eternal Father.

    Look Brenda, we are NOT born again THROUGH believing.
    That is a fallacy which most Christians believe.
    We are born again because we were IN Christ Jesus BEFORE the beginning of the world.
    The new birth is the work of the Lord Jesus Christ and NOT of our doing, otherwise we would boast, it is a FREE gift of God, and for a free gift is absolutely NOTHING required from you, not even believing, otherwise it’s NOT a free gift, and you would have earned it because you have believed.

    You said, “Jesus was the first born of many brethren.”
    I hope you that don’t believe that the Lord Jesus Christ needed to be born again just like you ?

    Hmmmm! I have this funny suspicion that you may do.

    Brenda, the same error of thinking as in the doctrine of “children” (previous comment), has been carried over into the doctrine of the new birth, to be born again.

    You see, it repeats itself in every doctrine you believe.

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  57. Keith, I do NOT invoke any other book or text or doctrine other than the Bible, the 66 books.
    Do you understand that ?
    Why is my language not clear to you?

    So then, if you believe in ‘sola scriptura’, then tell me what you mean by that ?
    And then I will tell you what the Scriptures said about ALL Scriptures.
    And YES ! I will use English language and not Greek.

    The Bible stands by itself, it is the Word of God and it does NOT need to be supported by any other book or text and not even by the Gabriel tablets.

    If you give the devil the little finger, he will take your whole hand.

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  58. Skipped me again, huh, Paul?

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  59. Paul, you said, "I do NOT invoke any other book or text or doctrine other than the Bible, the 66 book." I never said that you didn't use the Bible. I have consistently said that you don't read it. Your language is quite clear. It's you understanding and misrepresentation of the Bible that I object to.

    The fact that you asked the same question for what I just gave you the answer for proves my point. Reread my sola scriptura comment again. This time really read it and try to understand what I am saying. It's in plain English. Quit asking the same question.

    As for the Bible standing by itself, no one has said anything different. Why are you having such a problem understanding simple English? I'm not speaking Hebrew or a Greek. Does it sound like Swahili to you? What I said is in simple English, why do you misrepresent what I'm saying?

    As for your last childish statement about the devils finger, I will not dignify such a childish statement with an answer.

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  60. Keith,
    Giving the devil a little finger is a Hungarian proverb. Proverb???? Isn't that a book in the Bible? So if one uses that statement didn't they just add to the Bible?

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  61. Keith, how can you say that I don’t read the Bible when I claim to be a representative of the written Word and of the living Word of God Jesus Christ ?

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  62. What a person claims to be and what a person actually is can be two different things.

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  63. It must be frustrating not being able to answer someone.

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  64. Brenda, no truer words can be spoken. You also took the words right out of my mouth. :-) LOL

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  65. Tim, yes, it looks like he did. It's funny how words can come back to bite you. :-) LOL

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  66. Paul, if I claim to be a carpenter, use a hammer and nails and even make a project out of wood, but if my project falls apart when used, am I a real Carpender? The answer is obviously no.

    You say you represent the word of God, but you can't even recall it properly or even rephrase it. As a matter fact, you have problems understanding what we write here in this blog. How can you say that you are a representative of Jesus Christ when you clearly do not act like it?

    We love you bro and we are truly committed to your salvation, but right now, you are nothing but a bully and Jesus was no bully.

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  67. Well my friend, don’t throw in a red herring, just answer my question, I do NOT misrepresent your beliefs.

    I have asked you, “Keith, Jude (1:25) please tell me, which one is deceptive, the one who says that Jesus Christ is the only God our saviour, or the one who says that Yahweh is the only God our savior ?”

    I say it very loud and clear, and I hope you can hear it, Jude 1:25 it is speaking about the Lord Jesus Christ who is our ONLY GOD and saviour.
    Again, which one is deceptive ?
    And which one of us is misrepresenting the Scriptures, you or me ?

    You said, “Jude 1:25 doesn't even mention the name of Jesus. So, once again, you are deceiving people with your scriptural misrepresentations.”

    Tell me, WHY will you NOT acknowledge that Jude 1:25 addresses the Lord Jesus Christ ?
    I know why, and I have told you why.
    If the Lord Jesus Christ is NOT the Lord God, then you preach Him to be a tool in the hands of another god whom you call Yahweh.

    Well my friend, someone needs to tell you the truth, for the time is already here when people don’t put up with sound doctrines anymore.

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  68. Brenda, who do you think that I represent ?
    Perhaps I should ask, which God do you think that I represent ?

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  69. You appear, Paul, to represent a God that is spoken of in a doctrine of man - not in the Bible. You claim to believe in Jesus yet you do not believe in what He says.

    It is very clearly written that Jesus is the Son of God and that God has made Him Lord over all and given Him all authority:-

    'And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, 'All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 'Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.'
    Matthew 28:18-20

    'All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.'
    Matthew 11:27

    'For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name'
    Philippians 2:9

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  70. Paul,

    Even though you won't engage with me I can (because I am able to) answer yours.

    Who misrepresents the Bible? Paul does. You add things that are clearly not there and claim it as fact and not just an opinion, like we do if we interpret something. Some things are clear. We all believe Jesus is the Christ.

    Who do you represent? Your own reputation back up by your own interpretation. Oh, I feel that you want it to be God. I am sure you are sincere. But you can't even acknowledge things CAN be a little different like we do. It's not about compromise, it's about learning from others. You claim that you are the only one who knows. And you feel that there is only one issue in the Bible worth talking about. Over 30,000 words in the Bible and you think only a few are important enough to talk about. I would have actually liked to hear more of your views but you won't do it.

    Which God do you represent? Well, look at part of my response in the first question. The same God we believe in. You just think it differently and judge us as non-believers. We all say Jesus is God. We all say Jesus is he Messiah. But we don't claim his fleshy body is God. No flesh that is filled with sin can be God. We know the Spirit that was within that body was God. God cannot die. The body of the man known as Jesus did die. Jesus was always there for He is the Great I Am. YOU though will not let your spirit agree with us due to pride that you could be wrong.

    Any other questions? See..I have the ability to answer them. And I also have the courtesy to answer them too. I am not completely void of human concern.

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  71. Paul, this is hilarious! You're the one that claimed to be a representative of Jesus Christ and the Word of God. I clearly responded to that. What a lark! I'm still laughing! Do you even know what a red herring is? It's a diversion! How in the world could you interpret any thing said here, so far, as a diversion? With every comment that you make, you prove our point. No sir, you are not a representative of Jesus Christ or the Word of God....maybe your god, but not the God of the Bible, the one and only God.

    As for June 25, I will not answer your question, because you wish to take it down your Jesus is the father rabbit hole. We have told you before, we will not tolerate you hijacking the conversation and taking us down your "Jesus is the father" rabbit hole.

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  72. June 25 :) :) :)

    Don't remember that verse.

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  73. Brenda, you have quoted, “And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, 'All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 'Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.'
    Matthew 28:18-20

    'All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.'
    Matthew 11:27

    'For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name'
    Philippians 2:9”


    Don’t you think that, as a representative of the Word of God I can read those passages ?

    You supposed to tell me what those passages mean, so that I might give you an ‘amen’ or a correction.

    OK. again, WHICH God did give the Lord Jesus Christ all authority ?

    Do think that it was Buddha ?
    Or was it Allah ?
    Perhaps Krishna, or was it Yahweh or who else ???

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  74. Tim, you said, “Some things are clear. We all believe Jesus is the Christ.”

    I would never ask you whether you believe that Jesus is the Christ.
    Why would I ask that for ?
    It’s an obvious statement, all believe that Jesus is the Christ.

    But what does that mean to you ?
    Does that mean to you that Jesus is an anointed nice man ? or WHAT ?

    You said, “Which God do you represent? Well, look at part of my response in the first question. The same God we believe in.”

    If you would believe in the same God the Lord Jesus Christ as I believe and represent, we would NOT have a debate, but be in agreement.
    But as it is, you are congratulating one another for believing in a god who is not even mentioned once in the Bible.
    You represent a false god called Yahweh who can not save, and you call him your Father, even though the Lord Jesus Christ said, “and I said, Thou shalt call Me, My Father; and shalt not turn away from Me” (Jer. 3:19).
    And the Lord Jesus also said, “I have come in my Father’s Name, and YOU receive Me NOT: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.” (John 5:43)
    “How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek NOT the honour that cometh from God only ?” (v.44)


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  75. Keith, there is a time when you don’t laugh.
    I recommend to repent before that time comes.
    We both know exactly why you do NOT want to answer Jude 1:25.

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  76. Paul, the God Who gave Jesus all authority is YHWH, also known as I AM. The fact that Jesus was GIVEN authority by His Father is clearly stated in Matthew ch. 11 v. 27:-

    'All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.'

    The reason I think you do not believe this is contained within this verse, where it says:-
    ' nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.'

    I believe you may not be among the ones that Jesus has revealed the Father to.

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  77. Yes Brenda, Mat, 11:27 is figurative speech, and it is designed for those whom the Lord has NOT made Himself known to, so that they will NOT know Him or believe in Him and be saved.

    Only to those who have His commandments and keeps them, the Lord Jesus Christ will disclose Himself, or make Himself known to. (Mat. 14:21)
    But as for you, you are transgressing the first and second commandment of the Lord and denying the Father.
    You are giving the title ‘Father’ which belongs to Jesus Christ to another, a god whom you call Yahweh.
    And the reason is because you don’t believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and neither do you believe what He has said.
    He said, concerning the Father He was speaking figuratively, but you are saying, He is speaking literally. And that is true for you, He still is speaking figuratively to you.

    Brenda, if the Lord Jesus would have made known the Father to you, you would believe in Him and NOT in another.

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  78. So how about that tablet Keith? The great diversion tried it again...

    But Paul, can you see that you said nothing productive in your post to me? All you did was parrot all 29,900 posts you have posted before.

    I think I am done with this one. All Keith did was show an archaeological find and say how neat it is that it could contain more contemporary writings about Jesus. Atheists always claim there is no other proof for the life of Christ besides the Bible. Now we as believes do NOT NEED any other writings or trust as a source for our faith. YOU accused Keith and the rest of us of accepting the tablet as scripture. NONE of us did that. So back to your question: YOU are the deceptive one trying to demean our faith so that you can look superior. And any reader sees that.

    This tablet is NOT scripture. It could be a major archealogical find if it is authentic. That is it. That is all that was said.

    So with that. On to the next topic. Keith thanks for the resource.

    Paul, when you get obsessed with one topic nothing else makes sense. Learn that.

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  79. Yes, thank you Keith. I think we should all just leave Paul in his confusion - he has chosen to stay in it- and just enjoy interacting in our discussions.

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  80. Sounds good to me. On to the next post.

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  81. Paul, one last thing my friend. I smile. I laugh. I rejoice in the fact that Yahweh loved his creation so much that when Adam and Eve sinned, that he did not wipe the slate clean and not think about us again.

    I rejoice in Yahweh that even though no man was worthy to be sacrificed for our sins, he created the man Jesus, within the virgin Mary, according to Scripture and allowed his Holy Spirit to indwell and lead Jesus along the right path to the cross. I praise Yahweh that Jesus was obedient to the cross and gave his life has the perfect sacrifice for our sins.

    And yes I praise Jesus that he was obedient all the way to the cross and now is my savior and Lord an intermediary between the father Yahweh and his creation . How can I praise him? Because Yahweh glorified him because he was obedient to the cross. All this is in the Scriptures if you only would read it for yourself.

    We are saved because we proclaim and believe in our hearts the good news that Jesus died for our sins and rose again the third day, according to Scripture. As I've said many times, I hope and pray for your salvation every day.

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  82. Tim, if a mathematician doesn’t know that one god called Y’shua and another god called Yahweh are TWO gods, then nothing else makes sense.

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  83. Thank you Keith for saying that, but as for a man of your calibre you should be able to do better than that.
    And perhaps know better than that.

    You should give all prays to the Lord Jesus Christ and NOT to another god called Yahweh.

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  84. Paul if a mathematician doesn't understand 1*1*1=1 then they're not even a mathematician. If a carpenter doesn't understand there are 3 dimensions to a board then they're not a good carpenter. If a human doesn't understand that English is not the language that Jesus spoke then they are well...you can finish the sentence. He was Jewish. He would have a Jewish name. If he was born today his name would still be Yeshua and his last name probably would be Goldman and either way it would be written in Hebrew.

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  85. Paul have you ever been wrong in your life? Can you ever have just a nice discussion with friends? When someone asks you your favorite food do you answer with "but which God gave you the food?"? Obsession, dude, look it up.

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  86. Exactly. Way better than what I said.

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  87. Tim, you do NOT know the Lord Jesus Christ at all, if you would know Him, then you would not say that.

    Jesus Christ is the Lord God the Almighty the creator of heaven and earth ALONE ! He does NOT have a father or a mother (Hebr. 7:3), and neither is He a Jew.

    If Joseph would be His father and Mary would be His mother, then and ONLY then would Jesus be a Jew.
    And if that would be true, then Jesus would NOT be 'LORD'.

    Look Tim, the Lord Jesus said, “You will die in your sins unless you believe that I am HE, you will die in your sins.” (John 8:24).

    Why is it so difficult for you to believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the LORD GOD ALONE, and there is NO other ?

    Tim, the Lord Jesus Christ has NOT called me to talk about my favorite food, He has called me to preach the gospel in order that YOU might be saved.

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  88. Uhh..just to name a few things...

    1. Jesus was circumcised (Luke 2:21 and then was called Jesus)

    2. Jesus taught at the Temple (Luke 21:37)

    3. Jesus participated in the Passover (Matthew 26:17-25)

    4. Jesus observed Hanukkah (John 10:22)

    5. Jesus called Himself a Jew (John 4:22)

    6. Jesus was born in Bethlehem, Judea (Matthew 2:1)

    7. Jesus line of ancestors came from Israel/Judea (Matthew 1:1, Luke 3, Hebrews 7:14)

    8. Jesus wore a tzitzit. (Matthew 9:20, 14:26, Mark 6:56, Luke 8:44)

    9. Jesus observed Sukkoth (tents, John 7:2)

    10. Jesus observed Rosh Hashanah (John 5:1)

    If he wasn't a Jew, then what was he? English? Is he the king of England?


    I am saved. Saved by grace through Jesus. Hopelessly saved. Can't change it. Plus you only believe that only those who are called and predestined can be saved. How could you preaching to me then save me? I said it was about belief awhile back and you said it wasn't. Now you quote John 8:24, and that is after you say you don't quote scripture.

    Why is it so difficult for you to understand that God is not 3D but multi-dimensional YET (do you hear this word?...YET) still only one. See? ONLY ONE.

    I wanted to be your friend. I wanted to really reach out and talk to you. You can ask me personal questions and I would have started to open up to you. That is why I know Keith. He and I know each other. We disagree at times but we know who we are. You don't need to preach to me or be a witness to me. Plus, if this is the way you witness to believers, then how do you witness to non-believers? If this is how you do it then no one will get help. If we met one day, and we go out to eat just to relax. And I ask you where do you want to go eat, your answer can't be "What God gave us food". We would starve to death. Why can't you just talk to us?

    Prediction: IF you answer, I know what part of this you will focus on and you will forget everything else I said.

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  89. 1 Corinthians ch. 15 v. 27 states regarding Jesus:-

    'For "God has put all things in subjection under His feet." But when it says, "All things are put in subjection," it is plain that this does not include the One who put all things in subjection under Him.

    There are so many scriptures that declare and prove God's authority that I do not understand how this kind of a debate can go on for so long. I believe that Paul has been shown all scripture that would convince and convict anyone of this, but he is one who chooses to believe a false doctrine above the truth of scripture.

    That is undoubtedly (I would say)the reason why no other people appear to waste their time continuing conversation with him on any blogs.

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  90. Tim. obviously you do NOT believe my testimony and neither do you believe the testimony of the one whom I represent.

    You said, “Why is it so difficult for you to understand that God is not 3D but multi-dimensional YET (do you hear this word?...YET) still only one. See? ONLY ONE.”

    Show that to me in the Bible that God is multidimensional ?
    Who has told you that ?
    And WHICH God are you talking about ?

    I think that all of us can see that you are NOT talking about the Lord Jesus Christ, you are talking about another god and denying that the Lord Jesus Christ is the only God and that beside Him is NO other God (Isaiah 43:10-12).

    Obviously, if you are NOT talking about the Lord Jesus Christ you are talking about another God, a false god who is not really God.

    You said, “ if this is the way you witness to believers, then how do you witness to non-believers?”

    Tim, I do NOT witness to believers. The Lord Jesus Christ has called me to witness to unbelievers, to those who don’t believe in Him but in other gods like Yahweh.

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  91. Brenda, you said, “There are so many scriptures that declare and prove God's authority”

    The Scriptures does not need to proof God’s authority, everyone knows that God has authority.

    What you really mean is, that another god called Yahweh has authority over the ONLY true God Jesus Christ (Jude 1:25).

    And Lord Jesus said, “Neither will I tell you by what authority I do these things.”

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  92. I am talking about God's authority over Jesus. Jesus would not tell the chief priests, scribes and elders Who had given Him the authority to do things, but He acknowledged that authority had been given to Him - otherwise He would have said that He did not need authority.

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  93. Part of my prediction came true. I knew you would focus on the witness part and call us unbelievers, but you did more than what I thought.

    But where do I start? Hmmm...

    Multidimensionality of God. How about Romans 8:37-39. But even easier is Genesis 1:1. In the beginning, in what beginning? TIME. God is not in our time. That means he is more than 3D, time is 4th. How about where God said there is a heaven? God is out of our plane of existence. 5??? How about miracles beyond physics (that's throughout the Bible in case you didn't know). That's 6. How about the ability to create out of nothing, absolute nothing? All of these give different attributes to God and common sense says those are different dimensions of Him YET the same God.

    Now I noticed you skipped over the Jewish issue. I noticed you skipped over the friend issue. I noticed you skipped over the John 8:24 issue. That I knew you would do. You have a few ways to answer people. If you agree with them then you make a compliment. If you disagree with them that part of the Bible becomes "figurative". If you can't prove what you say then you change the topic to the "which God" argument. And when you are down right defeated and have no other choice, you don't bother addressing the issue.

    Your witness no matter to whom you are witnessing to is judgemental and demeaning. Jesus did His with open arms and forgiveness. Yes He used correction but in a loving and sympathetic way.

    Paul, if you won't open up to us and discuss more than just one thing then at least learn that you're not changing us.

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  94. Yes Brend, I did know what you meant.
    Please, just read your comment again, but slowly.

    Can you see, how you set another god ABOVE the Lord Jesus Christ ?
    Can you see it ?
    This is the point why it is impossible for you to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
    This is the point where you can never believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the first and the last, the creator of everything and the ONLY God there is.

    This is the very point from where you have apostated, fallen away from the Lord Jesus Christ to another god, and Jesus has become the middleman between that other god and you.

    This is the same sin that Israel committed and most of the churches today.
    Israel and the Christians supposed to be the Bride of the Lord Jesus Christ, but they and YOU have accepted another god, or should I say have joined themselves to another god and have become the harlot church of Revelation, and an adulterous bride to Christ.

    And for that reason it is impossible for you to understand the Scriptures.
    Look Brenda, there is only repentance left for you. Yes I know that that word is a dirty word and no one likes it, but it is the first step for your salvation.

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  95. Tim, you said, “Multidimensionality of God. How about Romans 8:37-39. But even easier is Genesis 1:1. In the beginning, in what beginning? TIME. God is not in our time. That means he is more than 3D, time is 4th.”

    Well, I can see the same problem here as all unbelievers have.
    First of all, I’m sure that you don’t believe that Genesis 1:1 is the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, you believe that Genesis 1:1 is another God other than the Lord Jesus Christ.
    And because of your unbelief you can’t see that God has THREE dimensions just like you or I.
    After all didn’t the Lord Jesus Christ created you in His image ?

    Oops ! nearly forget, tell me, WHICH God created you, in exactly how many dimensions ?

    And who has told you that God is not in our time ? is Jesus not in our time ?
    Oh, that’s right, you don’t believe that Jesus is our only Lord and God.

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  96. Paul,
    I most certainly believe Jesus is the Creator. In the original language the first few words are b'rsheet bara elohim. The very first word means beginning, but if you break down the compound word, the first part is bar which means Son. So when it says someone created it all it means that the Son created and that is backed up with John 1:3. See, you're too busy putting words into people mouths to allow God to put words into your heart.

    John 4:24 says Jesus (God) is spirit. And here you are saying he is only physical. You just basically said that Jesus is limited. If He was 3D, then how did He appear out of nowhere to His disciples? Now, as flesh, He was. But when God glorified Him, His flesh changed. His Spirit returned to heaven to sit at the right hand of God. Now does His spirit have shape like us? Maybe, I don't know. You don't know. We haven't seen Jesus in His glorified body or in His Spirit.

    Now since you REFUSE to answer me because you DON'T know anything and hide behind your insecurity I would just like to say Good-bye Paul. You don't know how to hold a conversation. You don't know how to study your Bible. You don't know how to witness to others. You hate people. You hate Jewish people. You do not represent our Lord and Savior who cared for people and showed them love, compassion, and forgiveness.

    With every word you just said in your last post you completely affirmed and confirmed all I have said about you. I just gave you all kinds of proof for the questions you posed and you ran away from the issues.

    Good bye Paul, I can no longer tolerate your words. I now shake the dust off of my feet as Matthew 10:14 says to. I wish you the best and pray that one day you actually hear what you say and see what you do.

    Go ahead, get the last word in because I know it will be too difficult for you not to do so.

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  97. Well Tim, you should be thankful to the Lord Jesus Christ for sending you His representative to tell you the truth.
    For a time is already here when they will not put up with sound doctrines anymore.

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