In 1990, an album was release, which produced three of my all time favorites. They both come to mind, more times than not, especially when asked about my testimony, concerning my relationship with God. One song is where the apostles Creed was put to music. The other is where that Creed should lead us, Beyond Belief. The last one is where I stand, I Am On The Rock. According to most critics, this album also came as the final nail in the coffin, to those who believe that Rock Music was the Devil's music. I have always asked, "How could it be Devil's music, when it glories God?" Below are the links and lyrics to the videos.
My Creed
Words and music by Bob Hartman
I believe in God the Father, maker of heaven and earth.
And in Jesus Christ His only son, I believe in the virgin birth.
I believe in the Man of Sorrows, bruised for iniquities.
I believe in the lamb who was crucified, and hung between two thieves.
I believe in the resurrection, on the third and glorious day
I believe in the empty tomb, and the stone that the angel rolled away
He descended and set the captives free
And now He sits at God's right hand and prepares a place for me
This is my creed
The witness I have heard
The faith that has endured
This truth is assured
Through the darkest ages past
Though persecuted it will last
And I will hold steadfast
To this creed
I believe He sent His spirit, to comfort and to reveal
To lead us into truth and light, to baptize and to seal
I believe He will come back, the way He went away and..
Receive us all unto Himself but no man know that day
This is my creed
The witness I have heard
The faith that has endured
This truth is assured
Through the darkest ages past
Though persecuted it will last
And I will hold steadfast
To this creed
I believe He is the judge, of all things small and great
The resurrected souls of men, receive from Him their fate
Some to death and some to life, some to their reward
Some to sing eternal praise, forever to the Lord
And through the darkest ages past
Though persecuted it will last
And I will hold steadfast
To this creed
Beyond Belief
Words and music by Bob Hartman
Based on Hebrews 6:1a, Romans 1:17, Philippians 1:6
We're content to pitch our tent
When the glory's evident
Seldom do we know the glory came and went
Moving can seem dangerous
In this stranger's pilgrimage
Knowing that you can't stand still,
you cross the bridge
There's a higher place to go, beyond belief, beyond belief
Where we reach the next plateau, beyond belief, beyond belief
And from faith to faith we grow
Towards the center of the flow
Where He beckons us to go, beyond belief, beyond belief
Leap of faith without a net
Makes us want to hedge our bet
Waters never part until our feet get wet
There's a deeper place to go
Where the road seems hard to hoe
He who has begun this work won't let it go
And it takes so long to see the change
But we look around and it seems so strange
We have come so far but the journey's long
And we once were weak but now we're strong
There's a higher place to go, beyond belief, beyond belief
Where we reach the next plateau, beyond belief, beyond belief
And from faith to faith we grow
Towards the center of the flow
Where He beckons us to go, beyond belief, beyond belief.
I AM On The Rock
Words and music by Bob Hartman
The earth is shakin'
It's like a bad dream
This world is crumblin'
Comin? apart at the seam but
I am on the Rock
I am on the Rock
Everywhere I'm turning it's only bad news
This bomb is tickin' and we're getting to the end of the
Fuse but
I am on the Rock
I am on the Rock
I am on the Rock, the sure foundation
I am on the Rock, on the Rock
I am on the Rock, His revelation
I am on the Rock
Though the winds may blow
And though the floods may grow
I shall not be moved, 'cause I am on the Rock
The storms approaching, I'm standing high and dry
Firmly planted on the Rock that is higher than I
I am on the Rock
I am on the Rock
Kingdoms failing, they fall around me
Plans eroded, and washing away to the sea but
I am on the Rock
I am on the Rock
Never heard these songs before. I like the first one right away. I have to listen to the others some more. I like the words of the second one, especially, "Waters never part until our feet get wet". You need to step out on that faith. The first one does bring up one good question. Being a purist, the part where it says that "He sent his spirit to comfort and to reveal". Who sent the spirit, the Father or Jesus? I know it's the same spirit. I also think the bible is quite clear on who sends and who reveals. Just a thought.
ReplyDeleteChris,
ReplyDeleteRookie!
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Chris, Yep, I have to agree with Tim. You rookie. :-) LOL Those are classics. Seriously, I'm glad that you like the first one. It's one of my favorites.
ReplyDeleteAs for your question, I may be a little too sensitive but, Me thinks that you are trying to stir the pot, with your question. :-) LOL But I will bite. John 14 says that Jesus was leaving with a lot more to pass onto the apostles. He said that when he left, the Father will send the Spirit of Truth. So, if our Australian friend Paul is correct, Jesus was leaving and would report back to himself and would send himself back to the apostles. :-) LOL Was that what you were going for?
Oh my, O my, O my, that’s where you get your doctrines from, from Petra :-)
ReplyDeleteSo, your doctrines came from a bunch of rookies :-) unbelievable !
Hmmm, I wonder what the Lord Jesus Christ will say to those rookies, when they will meet Him ?
Will He say to them; depart from Me, you never mentioned My Name in your lyrics ?
Or will He say, if you are ashamed of My Name, I will be ashamed of you on that day ?
Or will He say, you have never confessed Me before men, therefore I will NOT confess you before my Father who is in heaven ?
OK. let's look at your at your perverted doctrines that you believe.
So then you think that the Father sent His Son, and after the Son, the Father sent the Holy Spirit of truth ?
Yes, that would three persons in one god ? :-)
Providing your math. would be correct.
But as you know, I do NOT have any confidence in our math.
Paul, that’s what John 14 says. Check it out. As for the three persons in one God, you know very well, that is not what I believe nor what the Bible teaches . At best, you could say two in one, because Jesus isn’t God, he is the Son of God. But, God’s spirit is God in the same way that Paul‘s Spirit is Paul or my spirit is me or Tim’s spirit is Tim. There is no separate person. You even say titles. OK, call it titles. With that said, the Bible clearly states there are far more titles or dimensions of God. Get off the Trinitarian speak.
ReplyDeleteOK, now let’s look at your beliefs.
1. You have unseated God from and placed his son on the throne. You glorify the son over the father.
2. You deny that the name of Yahweh appears over 6000 times in the Bible, as the name of God, even though we’ve shown me you your error.
3. You blaspheme the name of God and call him Satan.
4. You believe that Jesus is the father, the son and the Holy Spirit, a Trinity of beings, while condemning others that do the same. That’s called being hypocritical.
5. You believe that you are sinless, not requiring confession.
6. You believe that Satan slept with Eve and had Cane.
7. You feel OK to blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
8. You think Jesus spoke English.
9. You believe Hebrew is Satan‘s language.
10. You believe Jews are Satan‘s children.
11. You condemn your brothers and sisters salvation and not their fruits.
12. You have no problem saying one thing, then turning around and saying a totally different thing, just to make yourself look good.
13. You lie and tell everyone that Jesus has appeared to you, telling you anti-biblical things.
14. You believe Satan is able to create things.
15. You think it’s OK to take the Bible literally in one place then turn around and say it’s a metaphor in another place when it goes against your beliefs.
16. You believe it’s OK to tell people to side with an English translation when it goes against the original Hebrew text, from which it was actually translated.
17. You believe that God is sinful or can be made sin.
18. You believe that God is all knowing but forgets things at times.
19. You believe that God has a split personality and talks to himself. He prays to and worships himself
20,. You deny that Jesus is the son of David.
21. You deny that Jesus is the son of man and the son of God.
22. You believe that God picks or chooses people to be savedl, while choosing others to be sinful and damned.
23. You believe God can die.
24. You believe God doesn’t love everybody.
25. You believe God actually hates some people.
That’s 25 of your greatest hits. I’m sure there are more, but that’s all I can think of at the moment. I’m sure Tim and the other guys can add more.
The Gospel According to St Paul.
ReplyDeleteI mean Ambassador Paul.
Oh Keith, accusations with NO substance behind :-) and we both know who the accuser of the brethren is.
ReplyDeleteWould you like me to tell you ? Yes, from the Bible of course ?
Please tell me my friend, how exactly did God sent one of His sons into the world without being TWO of them ?
Oh yes, you think that there were TWO of them in the beginning, the Father AND the Son, a duality of persons ?
And what about the THIRD one, did God sent a THIRD one the Holy Spirit of truth also into the world ?
So, what does your math. say this time ? :-)
Come on, NO excuses !
One day you have to stand before the Judge of all, my heavenly Father the Lord Jesus Christ and then you have to give an account to Him.
Paul, which of the 25 beliefs do you disagree. They were all taken from your own statements.
ReplyDeleteAnd where in the world did you get the two sons idea?
Keith, God has MANY sons, or don’t you think so ?
ReplyDeleteBut you are saying that “God sent one of his sons into the world.”
Only ONE special son who is not like the other sons, and then the father and the son would be TWO persons who were in the beginning, or don’t you think so ?
Well that is real math. :-)
Now, we both know that God sent a THIRD one, the Holy Spirit of truth into this world.
So tell me, God is one person, the son is another person, and the Holy spirit is another person which God has sent into this world.
And remember, they ALL were in the beginning with God.
So, tell me, how many gods were there in the beginning with God :-)
Paul,
ReplyDeleteDo you think God is limited by mathematics?
Do you think God is limited by time?
Do you think God is limited by physical space?
He created all of these. How could he be limited by them?
God can be here, there, over there, inside, outside, micro, macro, anything you can possibly think of. And you say he can't.
You always twist our words. Keith has always said that Jesus is God. But we both contend that the mere body of a man was chosen by God. Jesus was His name. His body was only human. His spirit was God. He was born of both man (Mary) and spirit (Holy Spirit----GOD).
And yes, they ALL WERE IN THE BEGINNING, very correct.
In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God. And the word became flesh.
BECAME!!!!!!! Flesh! Not always was flesh.
The human side of Jesus was so obedient that he became the sacrificial lamb for us, unblemished, to fulfill the Law, paving the way for Grace to save us and not by our own works.
Yes, ONE special son, most definitely. Two "beings", same God. Your problem is you do not understand the nature of God at all. You can't comprehend how powerful God really is. You think he is just a number.
By the way, of course I am still waiting for actual answers on the post before this one.
ReplyDeleteWell said Tim! I can’t add anything to that other than Y’shua/Jesus is my human Messiah, My Lord and Master and My God, who dwells within him.
ReplyDeleteTim, you said, “You always twist our words. Keith has always said that Jesus is God.”
ReplyDeleteNo Tim, Keith ALWAYS said that Yahweh is God.
You need to read his statements.
You said, “And yes, they ALL WERE IN THE BEGINNING, very correct.”
:-) do you mean the holy trinity :-) ?
Look Tim, I’m glad that you have said that so that we all know that you and Keith are trinitarians.
But I am NOT a trinitarian !
I believe ONLY in the Lord Jesus Christ alone. He is my only God and beside Him is NO other, Isaiah 43:10 Understand that I am He, before Me NO GOD, after Me NO GOD, 45:22 Look at Me and be saved, for I am God and there is NO OTHER.
Paul,
ReplyDeleteDo you take meds for your ADHD? Do you not see the questions people ask you?
Anyway since I am not as inconsiderate as you I will answer you. I read Keith's answers and statements all the time. I actually read them and respond to them when he asks me things. That's what we humans do.
I believe in a Trinity. Yes. You know that. I do not believe in the trinity you claim I believe in. The world can see that.
I am not a trinitarian in the way you falsely accuse me of. I believe in a manifestation of God to His creation in 3. I do not believe he is limited like you think he is. You think he can't be omniscient, omnipotent, and you most certainly don't think he can be omnipresent. All three are scriptural. You deny it.
Beyond our existence I believe that God is so much even more.
I, like Keith believe in a Father. I believe He became flesh in the manifestation of a mere man named Jesus. BUT Jesus being 100% God at the same time is equal to the father as ONE. Not two. I can't help if your measly little Neanderthal brain cannot comprehend that. I believe that when Jesus in a glorified body returned to the Father, the Father (along with Jesus as ONE) sent his spirit to guide us. And all three are one. You do not have the brain capacity to understand that, nor do you have spirituality to understand that.
YOU are a trinitarian too. But you don't know you are. I do not believe you believe in 3 different Gods. I believe you just don't know who God is and his full nature, especially since you deny his power and his presence.
Keith is not a trinitarian as you claim. I feel he believes in all three aspects I do but I feel he believes that anything God is called in the Bible is who He is, such as the word of God, the hand of God, the breath of God. I don't mind that. I also don't mind your idea. What I mind is that you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to my belief.
Get your facts straight and stop trying to accuse people of being what they are not.
A wise man once said,
ReplyDelete“in fact the Athanasian paradox that one is three, and three but one is so incomprehensible to the human mind that no candid man can say he has any idea of it, and how can he believe what presents no idea. he who thinks he does , Start insertion, only, End, deceives himself. he proves also that man, once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind. With such persons, gullibility, which they call faith, takes the helm from the hand of reason and the mind becomes a wreck.”
Thomas Jefferson to James Smith on the 8. Dezember 1822.
Paul, Again, here is what I believe. Check out the link to my newest post below. Where do you see a trinity? Yes, we are told that only the Spiritually Minded Believers, The Remnant, can comprehend the existence of God, within our Space-Time. I hope one day your eyes will be opened.
ReplyDeleteUnderstanding The Existence Of God.
Paul,
ReplyDeleteWhat is your point? Do you think using someone from our history makes what he says real to us?
Well, if that is the case then you will believe this: This Jewish contamination will not subside, this poisoning of the nation will not end, until the carrier himself, the Jew, has been banished from our midst.--Hitler 1920.
Hi Keith, have just read the words to these songs. They remind me of how our mind is renewed in Christ, as we grow in Him gradually, to the point where we can believe far more than what our carnal mind restricts us to believe. What is not possible with man is possible with God.
ReplyDeleteRegarding Who God is:-God is Spirit, no man has ever seen Him. Jesus was the Word of God made flesh, and this is how we have been given a chance to know God and become His children, through the second Adam,Jesus. We are all made one in the body of Christ on earth learning God's ways through the mind of Christ. It was the Spirit of God that was in Jesus, not the spirit of sinful man.
ReplyDeleteHey Brenda, it’s good to see you blogging. Do you finally have Wi-Fi set up at your house or are you still blogging at a café or something? I totally agree that’s the natural progression of our faith and life in the Messiah will result in going beyond belief, to the next plateau, where God is wanting us to go. I definitely fall short of where I want to be, at times, which reminds me of why he came in the first place.
ReplyDeleteAs for your second comment, learning God‘s ways and becoming one in the spirit with God through Christ is a beautiful thing.
ReplyDeleteHi Keith, no still not online at the house,am in Tesco now, free WiFi. Also left a comment on your other post while in another free WiFi area. I absolutely adore the process of becoming one in the Spirit with God through Christ. There is a love there which is far greater than worldly love, a love that I felt when I was was taken to what I believe was the Third Heaven when I had my near death experience. Speak to you again, God bless you and yours.
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