"Do your best to get here before winter. Eubulus greets you, and so do Pudens, Linus, Claudia and all the brothers and sisters."
This verse contains the names of the British prince and princess who had become Christians, during the 1st Century.
However, they weren't the first. There are some writings that put Cornelius and Joseph of Arimathea as the first ones to spread the gospel to the isles that is now called Great Britain. As a matter of fact, the first church building, Glastonbury Abby, supposedly erected by Cornelius and Joseph, is thought to be the first publically supported Christian church building ever.
The story goes this way... After Joseph took possession of the body of Y'shua/Jesus, he left the Sanhedrin and began evangelizing for the Messiah. The apostle Philip was trying to find someone to go to northern Europe and spread the Gospel. Joseph and Cornelius volunteered to go to France and then cross the channel. However, this wasn't the first time Joseph had been there. He was a tin merchant who had been trading with people of the isles long before Y'shua/Jesus even began his ministry. There are actually many references to Joseph in the early history of the British Isles.
As an added note, did you know that Joseph was most likely related to Y'shua/Jesus, because it was traditionally the duty of a family member to take care of the body of the recently departed. This is most likely the reason Pilate had no reservations about handing over the body of the Messiah to Joseph for burial preparations.
There's also a legend that Joseph had taken Jesus on one of his trips to the isles, when Jesus was a lad.
It's fun to explore the history and the imaginative minds of the early church. Most of the time, there is always some truth in the legends, but it must be tempered by the actual Word of God.
I really like the 2 Tim reference. I honestly didn't know that Paul or any apostle made it as far as England. Maybe Paul went there to start the English language, so we could have the normal Bible. LOL LOL I kill myself sometimes. LOL LOL LOL. I'm sure our Australian friend won't appreciate that, but I don't care. LOL LOL But seriously, even though not 100% provable, I think these types of discussions make you think...I think. Ha Ha
ReplyDeleteHey Chris. I agree. I wonder if this belongs with books like the apocrypha or simple lore. It’s obvious that we don’t build doctrine with it, but it does possibly fill in the historical picture. I’ll leave the English language alone except that it has been speculated that both the Romans and Christianity had their roles in bringing the English society together.
ReplyDeleteDoesn’t this and everything you write come from your imagination?
ReplyDeleteHi anonymous. I honestly don’t know how to answer that. In the post, I did say that most came from early church writings and legend. If the early church writings were eye witness accounts, then they have as much validity as our history books. Usually legends are handed down by word of mouth and generation to generation. As for the Word of God, those aren’t from my imagination and I challenge you to prove your point, especially since archeology is proving the Bible with every passing day. Thanks for joining our conversation. I hope to hear from you again.
ReplyDeleteWell, I think you are leading to another one of your false doctrines, the “British Israel doctrine”.
ReplyDeleteThat doctrine is also straight from hell.
Why is it that you can’t stick to the Word of God for what is WRITTEN, rather than what you like it to say ?
In doing so you are ADDING to the Word of God, and then the Lord Jesus Christ will ADD the plagues written in His book upon every one of you (Revelation 22:18).
I give you an example.
In Exodus 3:13-15 The Lord Jesus Christ the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob said to Moses, look Moses, I will NOT give you My Name, for My Name is HOLY. Go and tell those pagans of Israel, “I AM has sent me to you”. Furthermore, tell those unbelieving pagans of Israel, that the LORD, the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob has sent me to you to tell you that YOU ought NOT to ADD in a name when I have NOT given YOU a name to ADD in, or I will ADD the plagues which are WRITTEN in this book, and then you will know that I am He.
Just so that you know, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the Lord Jesus Christ and NOT you false god called Yahweh.
Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteYes, ALL their doctrine comes from their imagination.
Seemingly, everyone on this blog are either Jehovah Witnesses or Yahweh Witnesses.
Perhaps Yahweh Witnesses, because they don’t like to identify with the Jehovah Witnesses.
Well, who knows what they really are ?
One thing is sure, they do NOT wan’t to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Paul, you always tend to not read the whole post. Please re-read the last paragraph and my comment to Chris.
ReplyDeleteWe are in total agreement that the “British Israel Doctrine” is a false doctrine, in the same way that the “Jesus is the Father” and “The Church is the new Israel” doctrines are false.
Other than the apostle Paul being in England, the post is presented as speculative. Let’s stay on topic and enjoy the conversation.
Paul,
ReplyDeleteI agreed with you on this one, somewhat. My first thought was this is probably how British Israelism got started. And I agree that doctrine is not good, Pseudo Christianity
But Keith is not saying he believes in this legend. All he is doing is giving thought. If all of the things he posted were true then we a fuller picture. I personally do not believe it, but as he said there is truth to all legends, that's how they get started. Such as Gilgamesh and the flood---that would be Noah and the Ark. He is not saying he is using this as a cornerstone of his belief. Just read it as it is.
But, you need to look at something here. You are the closest thing on this site to British Israelism. You are anti-Jew and you think English is the language of God. Just saying. And you told me not to represent you yet you call us JWs and stuff. Not even close.
Look my friends, you don’t need to excuse yourselves, you need to REPENT !
ReplyDeleteYes REPENT !
Each one of you for the remission of your sins.
The Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons.
And those are doctrines of devils, those who teach that God is Yahweh or Jehovah, and the Lord Jesus Christ is only his offsider to die on the cross.
They deny that Jesus Christ is the FATHER and they teach that the Father is Yahweh, Allah, Jehovah, Budda or Baal or whoever else, but just NOT Jesus Christ.
That is called DEPARTING from the TRUTH, since the truth is Jesus Christ alone (John 14:6), and any other is the devil, whether you call him Yahweh or whatever, makes no difference.
Doctrines of devils always weave in their god “the devil” into their teaching. Because their god the devil disguises himself and takes on any name he wishes.
Such people are void of the Spirit of God, that is why they cannot understand the things of the Spirit of God.
Not unless one REPENTS from those doctrines and turns to the Lord Jesus Christ, he can NOT see or enter into God’s Kingdom.
Such a one will always have a form of godliness but with their heart they are far from the Lord Jesus Christ and denying the Lord Jesus Christ as their God and Father.
Keith you said, “We are in total agreement that the “British Israel Doctrine” is a false doctrine, in the same way that the “Jesus is the Father” and “The Church is the new Israel” doctrines are false.”
NO Keith, I am NOT in total agreement with you.
If you do NOT believe that your Father in heaven is the Lord Jesus Christ, then the alternative is, your father is the devil just as Jesus has said in John 8:44.
No Tim, I am NOT anti-Jew, just as much as I am NOT anti-Muslim or anti-catholic.
ReplyDeleteI am FOR Jesus Christ, and whosoever is against the Lord Jesus Christ is against me, whether Jew or Greek or Kalathumpian makes no difference.
You said, “you think English is the language of God.”
Tell me, why would I think such a stupid thing ?
Paul,
ReplyDeleteAre you a politician or just schizophrenic?
You said, "Tell me, why would I think such a stupid thing ?"
We keep asking the same thing from you. Why would you say such a stupid thing, and you never give us an answer.
Paul, I think it’s time to take a step back and look at what you’re saying and who you are.
ReplyDeleteAgain, you consistently lie. Don’t you realize every time you reverse what you are saying and then deny that you said the opposite is a lie?
Also, we have asked for Bible references to support your positions but you consistently respond with pure nonsense, followed by a Bible verse that doesn’t support your beliefs.
Finally, we repent and proclaim the name of Y’shua/Jesus every day. How about you?
Paul, you already stated that YHWH is in the Bible and it has been translated as LORD. Are you saying that YHWH is Jesus? A simple question requiring a simple answer, no gobbledygook.
ReplyDeleteGobbledygook? 😂 LOL I haven’t heard that in a long time. I always thought it was gobbledygoo. But you are correct and very applicable.
ReplyDeleteIt is gobbledygook with a silent k. LOL
ReplyDeleteNo Keith, it is time for you to repent of your false doctrines and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and then you shall be saved.
ReplyDeleteYou said, “Finally, we repent and proclaim the name of Y’shua/Jesus every day. How about you?”
Tell me Keith, WHICH name do you proclaim, the name of Y’shuah, or do you proclaim the Name of Jesus Christ ?
Or do you proclaim both of their names ?
In the Word of God the Bible, the Name of “JESUS” is WRITTEN 973 times.
And the name of Y’shuah is NOT mentioned ONCE, NO, NOT even ONCE !
Now tell me my friend, which spirit makes you want to introduce ANOTHER name, when it clearly states that there is NO OTHER name than ‘JESUS’ given under heaven and on earth ?
Well Keith, do you question that spirit ?
Have you got any spiritual discernment ?
Well Chris, seemingly you don’t understand anything of the Scriptures, to you everything is gobbledygook.
ReplyDeleteThose four letters ‘YHWH’ CANNOT be translated. The moment you try to translate those four letters, you end up in error, those four letters were reserved for JESUS who is the Christ.
Now, the Christ does not mean ‘the anointed one’ as the ignorant will teach you, since there have been many anointed ones throughout the entire Bible.
The “CHRIST” means, ‘God came in flesh’, valed the incarnate Deity.
And yes, anything else is but gobbledygook.
Paul,
ReplyDeleteCould you show us how these four letters are reserved for Jesus?
How does YHWH= Jesus in your opinion? I agree with the assumption but I guarantee our reasoning is different. I can explain my thought but I am betting you can't and won't.
That was my question, Tim. Also Paul it shows your ignorance. Messiah which is the Hebrew word Moshiach comes from Moshe which is Moses. The Messiah is supposed a prophet raised up like Moses.
ReplyDeleteIn Deuteronomy 18:15-18, Moses says,
"YHWH your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your countrymen, you shall listen to him. This is according to all that you asked of YHWH your God in Horeb on the day of the assembly, saying, 'Let me not hear again the voice of YHWH my God, let me not see this great fire anymore, or I will die.' YHWH said to me, 'They have spoken well. I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him."
and yes Moshiach-Messiah-Christ means anointed. The Hebrew word for "God in the flesh" is YahBasar. The Greek is theos-carne. There is no English word for "God in the flesh", other than theophany, which is actually an appropriated word from the Greek. You're an idiot, a simpleton and a liar. Also, you couldn't even answer a simple question.
Look Tim, I do NOT assume nor do I speculate.
ReplyDeleteThose four letter mean absolutely NOTHING, as I have said, the moment you ADD anything to those four letters you will end up in gross error.
As I have said, the Name of God had NOT been given in the Old Testament, and no one knew the Name of the Lord.
Therefore don’t try to insert a name when the Lord Jesus Christ has NOT given you a name.
Now, I, can say that His Name is JESUS, but NOT YOU ! that is, because you don’t believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
If you would believe in Jesus then you would not call your god Yahweh your father, you would call Jesus your Father, for unto us is but ONE God the Father (1 Cor. 8:6), and that Father is the Lord Jesus Christ.
But as it is, you call the devil your father and you teach that he had a son by the name of Y’shua or Jesus, and he (the devil) sent his son into the world etc.
Those are called, doctrines of demons, because you have perverted the Name of God’s ONE and ONLY Name “Jesus” at the very beginning.
No Chris, the Bible does NOT say YHWH in Deuteronomy 18:15-18.
ReplyDeleteThis is how your false and perverted demonic doctrines sneak in.
It says, “The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from among your countrymen, and you shall listen to him.”
Now, if the Lord your God is NOT the Lord Jesus Christ, then the DEVIL is the lord your god !
Tell me, WHY is that, that you refuse to believe that the Lord your God IS the Lord Jesus Christ ?
Or are you calling the devil your lord and your god ?
Look Chris, you can’t have it both ways.
And for this reason you will NOT listen to Him.
Paul,
ReplyDeleteHOW can you say that YHWH means nothing yet say it is Jesus? Or as you said reserved for Jesus. Are you saying God just picked four letters out of random and placed in his word just to take up space without any meaning? Even though Paul said all scripture is God breathed and can be used as teaching? So again, you give a response but never gave an answer. Typical of you.
You say not to misrepresent you but you do that to me all the time. Explain to me when I said that Jesus is not the father. Explain to me when I said Jesus is not the Creator. Jesus is YHWH. But you can't understand that even though you are circling around your own words and can't make up your mind about who or what YHWH is.
You still have to answer about which Bible version is the ordinary bible. Don't think we haven't forgotten about your stupidity on that one.
Paul, the unanswered questions are piling up. I agree with both Chris and Tim. Your ignorance is becoming more and more evident. I honestly don’t think you are an idiot. I think that you have dug yourself a hole, that you can’t dig out of. That is the reason, that you won’t answer the questions put to you.
ReplyDeleteAnyone, who actually reads the Bible, knows your house has no foundation, that the Jesus, of whom you preach does not resemble the Jesus of the Bible. They also know that YHWH is written over 6500 times in the Old Testament and if the New Testament was also written in Hebrew, instead of Greek, that number would swell to over 7000 times.
As I have told you before, I don’t know of any Bible that has LORD spelled out in it, and has a Forward or Introduction in it, that doesn’t tell you this exact same thing. I know that your Bible has the same thing, unless you tore it out.
Stop this nonsense and acknowledge the truth.
All I get from you, Paul, is misdirection and gobbledygook. Once again and I'll say it very slow.
ReplyDeleteAre
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Yes or no.
Hi Keith, that is fascinating - you are a great historian. Keith, can you give me the name of the YouTube site you are on, I would like to join in the conversation but I can't remember how to connect.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Brenda. I only have two videos and there are mostly atheists that comment. Here is the channel.
ReplyDeleteWhen You Search For The Truth
I am about to launch the next one. I'll keep everyone in the loop.