Shavuot is also known as the Feast of Weeks, commemorating the 1st wheat harvest time of the year and the day, that God gave the Torah, the Law, to Moses, on Mount Sinai. It is a Biblically ordained feast to be celebrated 50 days after Passover. It is also one the three pilgrimage feasts, requiring a pilgrimage to Jerusalem.
In addition, King David, was born and died on Shavuot.
Most interesting, it is speculated, as the future date of the Rapture of the Church, while most believe that the Rapture will occur on a future Feast of Trumpets.
Hi Keith, you said, "the 1988th anniversary of the church."
ReplyDeleteIn saying that, you are saying that before 2000 years there was NO church, therefore Israel was NOT and is NOT the church of God.
Well, I think that you have your churches mixed up. :-)
Hi Paul, The "church", in New Testament vernacular, includes all Spirit Filled believers in the Messiah, from the day of the New Testament day of Pentecost (Acts chapter 2) until Christ’s return. Therefore, the new testament church has only been around for 1988 years.
ReplyDeleteHowever, if you are talking about the Remnant of God, which included the faithful Jews, before the Messiah, they also became part of the Spirit Filled Church, upon the resurrection. Technically, there was no Spirit Filled Church before the Messiah.
Absolutely agree with you here Keith. Brenda
DeleteKeith I know you said you don't do this but I would like the though process written here. Why 1988? I would have calculated 1984 at this point. Not that big of a difference but it is still sparking interest.
ReplyDeleteHey Tim, 1984 years is based on the erroneous traditional date of the death, burial and resurrection of our Messiah, 32 AD. However, most researchers now believe that Y'shua was born in 4 BC. Since the belief of the death, burial and resurrection of 32 A.D. resulted in 1 AD as his birth, you must add those 4 years back on, resulting in 1987 years
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ReplyDeleteSo then, are you saying that there was NO Old Testament church who was Spirit filled ?
Were the Jews then spiritually dead in their sins and trespasses before the Messiah ?
Hi Paul, There were no Spirit-Filled Saints or Believers or church, before the first Shavuot or Pentecost immediately following the resurrection. However, there were many, who saw the day of the Messiah and believed in it, such as Abraham. Upon Y'shua's death, their graves opened up to reveal their bodies. Upon his resurrection, these Old Testament Holy Ones rose from their graves and preached and witnessed the Gospel. The difference between these OT Holy Ones and the NT church is that the NT church is permanently filled with the Spirit of God while the OT Holy Ones periodically and temporarily had the Spirit of God within them. As for the Jews before the Messiah being spiritually dead, most were. However, God reserves a remnant in every generation, which includes the OT Holy Ones mentioned above.
ReplyDeleteHey Tim, I meant 1988 years, not 1987, at the end of my last comment to you.
ReplyDeleteKeith my calculations is based on secular and biblical correlation. Luke 3 says Jesus' ministry started in the 15th year of Tiberius. His reign began in 14 AD. That means Jesus started in 29 AD. If His ministry was 3 years, it would put it at 32 AD with the church probably close to a year later making it 1984 years...to me.
ReplyDeleteTim, Those dates are based based on the assumption that Y'shua was born in 1 AD, which is wrong. However, I can't discount the possibility that all the Roman dates are wrong and if the Roman calendar is corrected, using 4 BC as the true 1 AD, then Tiberius would have begun to reign in 10 AD, Y'shua would have started his ministry in 25 AD, the church in 29 AD and we would be living in 2013, today and you'd be correct. :-) LOL
ReplyDeleteI used up to date dates. The latest said he ruled 14-37 AD. That would be with the adjusted birth of Christ as reference as 4 BC.
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