For most Christians, who are active in evangelism, Romans Road is a very familiar set of references. One of those references is the above Romans 10:13. However, when asked, not very many Christians can give an explanation, as to the meaning of the verse. This is due, in part, to this verse being mistranslated. The actual Word for Word translation, for Romans 10:13 is:
For each who, subjecting themselves to, and calls the Master, are restored to health.
Getting back to the Bible verse, if we subject ourselves, wholly to the Great Physician, Y'shua, Jesus, we can be healed. But, how do we subject ourselves? Well, It's not just about calling upon his name, it's by trusting him to give us the remedy, when asked we for it. Once the remedy has been given, the evidence of us getting better, is that we gradually become one with God and his will, for us. It's as simple as that. This can happen in a twinkling of an eye or take our whole life. It's all about how much we trust in him.
...and that's what you'll find, When You Search For The Truth.
Hi Keith, Romans 10:13 means exactly what it says, and we don't need another book to tell us different.
ReplyDelete"Whoever will call on the Name of the Lord will be saved".
That might be you my friend :-)
Yahweh cannot save ! it says 'the Name of the LORD', which is the Lord JESUS.
Hi Paul, I agree. As I said, in the post, the Lord and Master, in this case, is Y'shua. However, the point of the post was to show that most Christians don't truly understand it, and it appears that is the case, with you. Calling on the name, doesn't quite reflect what Sha'ul, Paul, is saying here. It comes down to subjecting yourself totally to God. As for Y'shua's name, we both know that when you say, Y'shua or Jesus, you are saying Yah Ehyeh YHWH Saves. A point you can dispute, but you can't deny, my friend.
ReplyDeleteNo Keith, it doesn't mean 'subjecting yourself totally'.
ReplyDeleteIt means, 'CALL on the Name JESUS'! no, not Y'shuah, it says JESUS.
The Lord is JESUS and beside Him is NO other Lord, and there is no other Name given in heaven and on earth etc.
YHWH are four letters and it means absolutely nothing.
ReplyDeleteOf course you can make it mean whatever you like, but that would be foolish speculations.
Hi Keith,
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with what you have said in your post. It is a similar thing with the word 'believe'.
It achieves nothing to just believe that Jesus existed as the Son of God, our mediator between God and man.
Believing in Jesus means believing in the 'Word of God'.
We have to be taught gradually by that Word spoken to us as we work out our salvation, moving on from the 'milk' of that Word to the 'strong meat',and not just be 'hearers' of that Word - but be 'doers' of that Word.
What a wonderful plan God had for man's reconciliation back to Him.
Hi Paul. If you think about it, that's so wrong, on so many levels. The first thing that should pop into your mind, is that the demons and Satan call upon the name of the Lord. They are not saved. That's one of many examples, but one is all that's needed to shoot down an erroneous doctrine, my friend.
ReplyDeleteYou said, "YHWH are four letters and it means absolutely nothing."
You just keep saying that. It's good practice, for when you stand before the judgement throne. While you're at it, you might as well practice, "I don't believe in you." or "I don't recognize you as God." It's the same thing.
You are correct, in one of your assertions, that only a fool doesn't recognize God.
Hi Brenda. I totally agree. The scriptures are quite clear, that it's all about our mindset. The True Remnant of God, gives themselves, completely over to God. The True Remnant says, in their heart, "I want to follow you, Lord. Please, help me. I want to sin no more." Yes, chances are that we will sin, but that's what Y'shua, being a sin offering, is all about. You are so correct, Praise God!!! It's a Great Plan.
ReplyDeleteHi Keith, I don't know if this interpretation is correct but these words spoken in Matthew ch. 9 vs. 6-8 say much:-
ReplyDelete'But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins.' So he said to the paralyzed man, 'Get up, take your mat and go home.' Then the man got up and went home. When the crowd saw this, they were filled with awe; and they praised God, who had given such authority to man.
It is God Who gave Jesus authority, and Jesus Himself says this in Matthew ch. 11 v. 27:-
'All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.'
Hey Brenda, Yes, a great example. I especially like the Greek word, Anthropus, translated here as man. It can be used as a singular man or men. It depends upon what the subject of the sentence or previous thought. In this case, it's obviously Y'shua, Jesus, a man, whom God gave the authority or power to do his ministry.
ReplyDeleteNotice, also, within the Gospels, where he changes his narrative from 1st person to 3rd. These are also times, where Y'shua is referred to as the Son of Man, rather than the Son of God. This is especially true when he talking about Y'shua being given over to the Jewish leadership and ultimately killed by the Gentiles. Interesting. I have my thoughts about what that means.
I also think that Matthew 11:27 says a lot about those who don't recognize the Father and the Son. What do you think?
If we look at where Jesus is given over to the Jewish leadership and killed by the Gentiles, the spiritual discernment of it (I believe) is the true meaning of that written Word being made void by man's traditions -doctrines(the truth being killed off by many people who call themselves 'leaders' in some churches who have been taught by man and not by God).
ReplyDeleteYes, I believe that, regarding Matthew ch 11 v. 27, it reveals that Jesus recognizes those who believe the Word, and they can only learn through Him if they truly believe that word as they are taught line upon line, and do not let man's doctrine interfere with the truth by adding or taking away any of it.
I hope you can understand what I mean here Keith, it is difficult sometimes to put into words what I want to say.
Hi Keith! What a beautiful post and explanation of the Scripture passage. We all can be in the loving presence of the Lord, as long as we understand that he is 'Lord', not us.
ReplyDeleteI am so thankful that he can overcome (and ignore) the sickness of my sins, and instead, bring me to healing and unity. Our God is an awesome God.
Have a great weekend!
Ceil
Keith, you said, 'the first thing that should pop into your mind, is that the demons and Satan call upon the name of the Lord. They are not saved.'
ReplyDeleteWell, then tell me what is missing ?
Why are they not saved, if the Scriptures said, 'whosoever shall call on the Name of the Lord shall be saved' ?
Is the Scriptures wrong, or is your interpretation wrong ?
Concerning judgement, I have already told you that I will not be at any judgement throne, because the Lord Jesus Christ was judged in my place.
I do not ask you to believe in me, I ask you to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and not in Yahweh.
Hey Brenda, I agree. I was teaching, this past Thursday, in Matthew 20 and in verses 25-28, Y'shua admonishes the disciples and us, not to lord over one another, not let the ways of the world in. He drives the point home, Revelation 2:6, 14-15. This is the basis to how the word of Mann supplants the word of God.
ReplyDeleteYes, I think that as we (the church) are God's Spiritual Israel, then even born again believers can go by what is added and taken away from the scriptures by man's doctrine (trying to please man instead of God) just like the Pharisees and the Sadducees did at times.
DeleteThere can be many spiritual Pharisees and Sadducees in today's church.
What saddens me is that there people that don't think about and blindly follow man's ways, only to stand before the throne of God and hear those condemning words.
DeleteYes, sadly there are those who worship the created rather than the creator, and follow what man says rather than what God says.
DeleteThanks Ceil and Amen!
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ReplyDeletePaul, I have told you what is missing. It is submission and that is what the verse is telling us. You lead people astray by telling them to call upon the name of the Lord and relax. However, the whole of the text tells us that we need to submit ourselves body, mind, spirit and soul to the Lord.
And regardless of what you feel or what you've been taught, the Scriptures say that you will stand before the throne of God. Whether you stand to the right with the remnant or to the left with the tares and be cast into the fire of hell, is entirely upon whether you submit to the Lord. That, my friend is what the Scriptures tell us. If you would read them, instead of your erroneous man-made version, you would know that. Love you my friend. I hope to see you on the right side of the Lord .
Keith, I did not say 'and relax', you think like that, but not me.
ReplyDeleteAnd if I have been judged in Christ Jesus my Lord and my God at the cross, why would I need to be judged again ?
My sins and transgressions have been atoned at the cross of Calvary and Jesus was judged in my place.
Don't you know the gospel of salvation ?
Keith, on judgement day, it is the Lord Jesus who judges the people.
ReplyDeleteJesus is the one who will say, as far as you have done it to the least of mine, you have done it to me.
It is Jesus who divides the wheat from the tears, in other words, it is GOD who judges those who don't believe in Him (JESUS).
Paul, when you say that all you have to do is call upon the name of the Lord and you will be saved, without any commitment, you are saying relax you can do anything you want. You may not think you were saying that, but in reality you are. My friend, God wants commitment from you, not Lipservice. This doesn't mean that your works save you, but your desire to follow God should automatically flow from you from your commitment to God.
ReplyDeleteYou are correct that your sins are judged in the Messiah, but that does not mean you will not stand before God and give an accounting. However, when you stand before the throne, God will look at you, through Christ colored glasses, which will filter out your sins, and you will be seen as blameless through the blood of the Messiah.
As far as judgment goes, you are half correct, as always. You must learn to read your scriptures in entirety. The book of Revelation tells us that after we are judged, we will sit with the Messiah in judgment of the rest of the world. Read your Bible!
No Keith, I did not say 'without any commitment, or you can do what you want'.
ReplyDeleteIf you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, then you WILL do what He has said, and if you don't believe, then you do what you want.
But it is required from you to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Well Keith, WHICH God wants commitment ?
Is it Yahweh ? I think not !
You need to believe in JESUS, and NOT in Yahweh, Yahweh is NOT God but Jesus is.
No, I do not stand before God, I am walking daily with Him (Jesus Christ) and I have past OUT of Judgement and I have began a new life in Christ Jesus my Lord and only God.
God is Jesus Christ and He doesn't look through Christ colored glasses :-)
Paul, if we both agree that it takes commitment, why did you disagree with my post in the first place? Are you being contrary just to be contrary?
ReplyDeleteAs far as which God, there is only one God. I have said it many times before, the scriptures scream from the mountain tops. Yah is God!!! Over 5000 times, the Scriptures proclaim his name. The whole of scripture springs forth, from the throne of Yah, by way of the blood Y'shua.
No Keith, Yah is NOT God, JESUS is God !
ReplyDeleteThere is a big difference.
Yes, my friend, it is a great big difference, when you base your beliefs on a man made doctrine. As for me, I will always base my beliefs, on the Holy Scriptures of God.
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