tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post8080815263228842937..comments2024-02-26T06:31:34.231-05:00Comments on Perceptions From Beyond Time And Space: Predestination, A Doctrine Of Satan?Keithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-6208820576569157812016-11-25T08:43:48.824-05:002016-11-25T08:43:48.824-05:00LOL I like Puns and I agree.LOL I like Puns and I agree.Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-45279104841953751272016-11-25T03:46:11.812-05:002016-11-25T03:46:11.812-05:00oops... put my smiley face with the eyes looking u...oops... put my smiley face with the eyes looking upwards instead of down - can't be bad though eh? :-)Brendahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16165344093549650260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-3000749633092140762016-11-25T03:43:36.945-05:002016-11-25T03:43:36.945-05:00No need to apologize Keith, I know that you do not...No need to apologize Keith, I know that you do not 'predestine' what I am thinking -:), I just felt to share what was revealed to me regarding the verses in Jeremiah ch. 1. Through sharing testimonies we all understand one another more. I agree with you over our actions as there are many who fall away and sin wilfully. We all have a choice, and I do not believe in 'once saved, always saved' as salvation is something we have to individually 'work out'.Brendahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16165344093549650260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-27722597537678472092016-11-24T14:44:02.299-05:002016-11-24T14:44:02.299-05:00Hi Brenda, I apologize. I did not mean to imply th...Hi Brenda, I apologize. I did not mean to imply that you believed in predestination, as Paul and most believe. I do believe that God, knowing the beginning from the end, sees all of history, at a glance, and guides us along the way, his way. I just wanted to make sure that if anyone reads this, they will see the truth.<br /><br />You do bring up another interesting point. The books that God has, in which our names are written, The Book of Rememberence, The Book of Generations and the most important one being The Book of Life. But that's another subject, for another time. It is important to remember that our sins are indeed covered by the Blood of Messiah, but our actions are well chronicled, within Annals of God.Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-88213895591887300582016-11-24T04:13:37.189-05:002016-11-24T04:13:37.189-05:00Sorry, left a bit of text at the end that I should...Sorry, left a bit of text at the end that I should have deleted.Brendahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16165344093549650260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-44784385150200954042016-11-24T04:11:56.314-05:002016-11-24T04:11:56.314-05:00Hi Keith,
It is not the word 'predestination&#...Hi Keith,<br />It is not the word 'predestination' that I would use here. The actual translation fits what I believe was being said to me through that verse in Jeremiah 1., and goes together with the verse that was highlighted to me from Psalm 139 v. 16:-<br /><br />Thine eyes did see mine unformed substance; And in thy book they were all written, Even the days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was none of them.'<br /><br />Just as John the Baptist went in the spirit of Elijah, I believe that God uses those instructions to characters from the old testament to show us the path we should take spiritually at a particular time. As it says in 2 Timothy ch. 3 vs. 16:- <br /><br />All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:<br />That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works'<br /><br /><br /> 17:-'encouragement, correction, teachingBrendahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16165344093549650260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-87767031090962010732016-11-23T13:30:16.602-05:002016-11-23T13:30:16.602-05:00Hi Brenda, I always enjoyed reciting Jeremiah 1:5,...Hi Brenda, I always enjoyed reciting Jeremiah 1:5, as an affirmation of God knowing me personally, before I was even formed in the womb. However, after learning Hebrew, I found out that Jeremiah was yet another mistranslated verse. It actually says, <br /><br />"Before being formed in the belly, I knew you would come forth, from the womb and set yourself apart, as a prophet, to the nations."<br /><br />God was giving Jeremiah, a pep talk, because he had a lack of confidence, in his own abilities.<br /><br />Pertaining to you, I believe you when you say that God used those words, to you, during your near death experience, to set you on your path. However, it is not a supporting verse for predestination. It is a supporting verse for divine intervention, in order for path correction. Either way, whether it is you or Jeremiah, both had the free will to disobey God and go your own way. Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-5322531299032548782016-11-23T06:44:37.281-05:002016-11-23T06:44:37.281-05:00Just a little thing that is always on my mind conc...Just a little thing that is always on my mind concerning 'predestination', but not quite as Paul sees it :-<br /> <br />Ever since I have been born again of God's Spirit I have felt 'in this world but not of this world', and when right at the beginning the words from Jeremiah ch. 1 verse 5 'Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations.' were spoken to me there was a connection with my 'near death experience' I had when I was twenty eight years old, seven years previous. <br />I have always felt that place, which I believe was the third heaven that Paul the apostle speaks of, was the place I was taken to, which was more 'real' to me than this world. I had been there before I was born, I know this.Brendahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16165344093549650260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-79169825476056649732016-11-23T04:00:53.985-05:002016-11-23T04:00:53.985-05:00
BrendaNovember 23, 2016 at 3:58 AM
By the way,...<br /><br /><br />BrendaNovember 23, 2016 at 3:58 AM<br /><br />By the way, I agree concerning the 2000 and 3000 years, and it was also symbolic that in Genesis ch. 1 the sun and the moon, the two great lights, were formed on the fourth day. Jesus is likened to the sun and the church is likened to the moon (which can only reflect the light of the sun), it has no light of its own.<br />Jesus came, and the church was formed, four thousand years after Adam was formed, as in one day is as a thousand years.<br />Brendahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16165344093549650260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-14632451190736680512016-11-23T03:58:41.605-05:002016-11-23T03:58:41.605-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Brendahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16165344093549650260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-42897635171481574312016-11-23T03:54:14.968-05:002016-11-23T03:54:14.968-05:00I agree with what you have said Keith, the US is G...I agree with what you have said Keith, the US is God and the Word of God, which was made flesh. Jesus (Yahweh saves) spoke and did only what the Father told Him to speak and do. He is the One and only mediator between man and God, through Whom we can be reconciled back to God.Brendahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16165344093549650260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-48518464153138308902016-11-22T16:37:56.176-05:002016-11-22T16:37:56.176-05:00It appears that our "Creation of Man" di...It appears that our "Creation of Man" discussion has bled over into this post, also. <br /><br />A couple of things:<br /><br />1. The "US" is the God part of Y'shua, Jesus, The Word of God, not the Man part of Y'shua. The man part gave full credit and glory to God alone for creating man, in Mark 10:6. Also, the Man Y'shua, Jesus, grew in knowledge and obedience, Luke 2:52 and Hebrews 5:8, in the process of becoming perfect. Both God and The Word of God is eternally perfect.<br /><br />2. There are two human lines, one Messianic, that started with Adam, the other, humanistic, which started on the sixth day. <br /><br />The humanistic line was destroyed, in the flood, because of Angelic Corruption. <br /><br />The Messianic line continued, but splintered and once again, disobeyed God and has once again been corrupted by the fallen ones, except one, that was Y'shua, Jesus, who was both Word of God Manifested and Man. Because he was perfected through his obedience, he was the beginning of the perfected spiritual Messianic line. We have power, through our free will, to accept that way of life and become B'nai Elohim, Sons of God.<br /><br />As for the days, they model God's plan, 3000 years for the Torah, 2000 years for Spiritual Messianic Line to become complete and 1000 years of restful Messianic rest and reign, before the judgement.Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-78104448998025154432016-11-22T16:16:15.747-05:002016-11-22T16:16:15.747-05:00So we are finished with the predestination discuss...So we are finished with the predestination discussion? Good with me. It was a no brainer, anyway.<br />Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-2558310199575761822016-11-22T10:55:54.923-05:002016-11-22T10:55:54.923-05:00Paul,I believe absolutely that the Lord revealed t...Paul,I believe absolutely that the Lord revealed this to me, the scriptures are discerned spiritually. I was not taught this by man, I love being taught by God. As the scriptures say 'No man shall say 'Know the Lord', they shall all be taught by God. (Hebrews ch. 8 v. 11) Praise His lovely name. Brendahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16165344093549650260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-62609780541237550532016-11-22T05:34:57.477-05:002016-11-22T05:34:57.477-05:00No Brenda, those doctrines are NOT true, they are ...No Brenda, those doctrines are NOT true, they are man made doctrines to tickle your ears and lead you away from believing in the Lord Jesus Christ.Paul Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15227545422232659930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-58195970504206381662016-11-21T07:54:44.502-05:002016-11-21T07:54:44.502-05:00Hi Paul, first of all, I see no difference between...Hi Paul, first of all, I see no difference between your explanation or version of predestination and what my post says.<br /><br />I am glad that you brought up the issue of causality. You said it your self. With every action, there is a reaction. If God causes some to be saved then he called the others to denouce God and perish. Again, that's against his nature. You would understand that if you read the whole of scripture in context. <br /><br />With that said, as I read your comments, it becomes increasingly obvious that you have confused doctrines and come to an erroneous position. It happens when you rely on an erroneous English translation of the Scriptures and have not relied on God's Spirit to lead you into all truth. I see that a lot in the King James Only cults. Your cult is no different, in that you raise your erroneous English Bible above the true Word of God. Satan has led many, like you, astray with confusing text. <br /><br />Unfortunately, I will be driving a while. Please give me a few hours to complete this explanation to you. <br />Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-39611820577367969222016-11-21T03:36:43.486-05:002016-11-21T03:36:43.486-05:00The US is God the Father and His Son making mankin...The US is God the Father and His Son making mankind in their image,(Spiritual) which began two thousand years ago and will be accomplished soon (on the sixth day according to one day being as a thousand years). Jesus said 'Today and tomorrow I do cures, the third day I shall be perfected.' In the spiritual this is talking about the fourth and fifth day Jesus doing cures (as in the church being formed), and the third day He (we as being the body of Christ) will be perfected. That is the fulfilment of the second Adam, the One born of the Spirit.Brendahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16165344093549650260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-2414450002110408572016-11-20T06:24:08.281-05:002016-11-20T06:24:08.281-05:00Yes that's right, the Lord causes ONLY His chi...Yes that's right, the Lord causes ONLY His children to be saved from eternal death, and only they will be born again as a free gift of God lest they may boast.<br /><br />You said, 'didn't He created all mankind ?'<br /><br />Well, not in His own image, just read what the Scriptures said, (Gen. 1:26) Then God said, Let 'US MAKE' man in OUR image, according to OUR likeness.<br /><br />Obviously, the 'US' doesn't mean the Lord alone.Paul Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15227545422232659930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-91541603418246147302016-11-19T23:04:00.432-05:002016-11-19T23:04:00.432-05:00To clarify, are you saying that, before the beginn...To clarify, are you saying that, before the beginning of time, God chose some to be save or he knew that some would be saved? Also, didn't he create all mankind?Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-48821048711767177142016-11-19T07:29:27.084-05:002016-11-19T07:29:27.084-05:00In simple terms; God predestined some for a partic...In simple terms; God predestined some for a particular salvation, and He rejected others.<br />In other words; God predestined His children who were in Christ before the foundation of the world to be saved from eternal death and to be born again as a free gift of God, while He rejected Satan's children to ever see that life.<br /><br />Predestination is another word for election or chosen. <br />Those three words demand an opposite, which is rejection, none elected. <br />Those who are rejected are in enmity with those who are predestined from the beginning of creation like Cain and Abel to this very day. Paul Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15227545422232659930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-64893482965611871872016-11-18T22:28:24.827-05:002016-11-18T22:28:24.827-05:00Ok, I'll bite. Hypothetically, let's ignor...Ok, I'll bite. Hypothetically, let's ignore the fact that the doctrine of predestination goes against everything else in the Bible and say that predestination is really mentioned in the Bible. What is your doctrine of predestination and how is it different from what I wrote in the post?Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-8401211962313816252016-11-18T19:28:29.448-05:002016-11-18T19:28:29.448-05:00Acts 17:11 goes both ways, for you and for me my f...Acts 17:11 goes both ways, for you and for me my friend.<br />But that doesn't eliminate the predestination of God. Paul Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15227545422232659930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-76317762525749133912016-11-18T10:53:48.695-05:002016-11-18T10:53:48.695-05:00 I never said Acts 17:11 was about predestination... I never said Acts 17:11 was about predestination. As I said it and f you would read it properly, it tells us to receive the message but check it out for ourselves to whether it is true. I am glad you read it. Now, I hope you will follow it. Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-75534901950082888902016-11-18T06:53:25.165-05:002016-11-18T06:53:25.165-05:00Nearly forget, according to your post, I think tha...Nearly forget, according to your post, I think that you do not understand God's predestination doctrine.Paul Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15227545422232659930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-7653060520559800052016-11-18T06:47:40.400-05:002016-11-18T06:47:40.400-05:00Hi Keith, Acts 17:11 does not mention predestinati...Hi Keith, Acts 17:11 does not mention predestination, for that you need to read the Bible my friend. <br />Rom. 8:29 and 33, "For those He foreknew He also predestined …......"<br /><br />There are many passages in the Scripture that speaks about the predestination or election.<br />I suggest the English Bible is a good start:-)Paul Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15227545422232659930noreply@blogger.com