tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post6895619686045136313..comments2024-02-26T06:31:34.231-05:00Comments on Perceptions From Beyond Time And Space: It Was Not About The Tree Or The Fruit. The Gospel, Part One.Keithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-62317359533721443962017-05-09T19:52:53.687-04:002017-05-09T19:52:53.687-04:00Yes, I find it hard to opt out from that page, but...Yes, I find it hard to opt out from that page, but will remind you about that on another page. Paul Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15227545422232659930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-63711353255621238322017-05-09T12:21:17.452-04:002017-05-09T12:21:17.452-04:00Paul and I have gone through this over and over, t...Paul and I have gone through this over and over, the past year and a half. He knows where I stand. It started when he and I first discussed Yahweh and Isaiah 9:6.Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-70053480728421832722017-05-09T11:43:42.522-04:002017-05-09T11:43:42.522-04:00It had implications sometimes. Maybe....just mayb...It had implications sometimes. Maybe....just maybe that is what Paul is seeing. Trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. I took it a little that way. I didn't think you were saying that but I wanted to make sure.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01240624055310283596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-21755990844278871922017-05-09T11:09:28.377-04:002017-05-09T11:09:28.377-04:00Hey Tim, We both agree that God has maintained his...Hey Tim, We both agree that God has maintained his salvation text. Therefore, the Gospel, the fact that Y'shua was given as a gift/sacrifice for the sins of mankind and afterwards he showed the righteousness of that gift/sacrifice, by rising from the grave, on the third day, according to the scriptures, does appear in all translations I've read. The English translations would be good enough to hear the Gospel. I don't think we've ever disagreed on that. If I ever implied that, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to.Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-62431755399562993282017-05-09T10:39:01.476-04:002017-05-09T10:39:01.476-04:00Keith,
Just to verify, if we did not have the orig...Keith,<br />Just to verify, if we did not have the original language, would the English version be good enough to have to hear the gospel?Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01240624055310283596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-68392841404847907382017-05-09T08:27:00.116-04:002017-05-09T08:27:00.116-04:00Paul, The more you write, it becomes more and more...Paul, The more you write, it becomes more and more evident that it is not the God of the Bible, with which you have a relationship. <br /><br />I never said that the Bible has errors. Show me one place, that I said that the Bible has errors. You can not. I have said and always will say that it is your translation that has the errors. God's Word, the REAL BIBLE, his Scripture is pure. His Scripture is God-breathed and is valuable for teaching you the truth, convicting you of your sin, correcting your faults and training you in right living; thus anyone who belongs to God may be fully equipped for every good work. Since you do not believe that scripture applies to you, it proves that you do not belong to God. You serve the god of this world. It shows when contradiction upon contradiction shows up in your writing. God is not a God of confusion. I have said that many times.<br /><br />It is incredible the length of your misunderstanding. <br /><br />Your comment, "Did all the Apostle and disciples had a Bible? The answer is NO !" shows your lack of basic reasoning and understanding. Of course, they had the real Bible. Both Y'shua and his disciples quoted from it.<br /><br />Finally, Doctrine is gotten from God's Word, not some channeling of a voice inside your head. Even God said, that he put his Word above even his own name. Of course, His Word doesn't apply to you.Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-34218977120730700382017-05-08T22:52:54.430-04:002017-05-08T22:52:54.430-04:00Paul you never addressed my post at all. I didn&#...Paul you never addressed my post at all. I didn't expect you to but I had some hope.The Teacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05942951957650353171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-6703608479381940232017-05-08T22:44:07.232-04:002017-05-08T22:44:07.232-04:00OK, before I opt out from that page, I like to say...OK, before I opt out from that page, I like to say again that I appreciate all of the comments and inputs of those so important matters, which most people from every denomination and creeds don't like to talk about.<br /><br />Perhaps a short comment :-) <br />Keith, if the Wycliffe Bible is the first Bible written, then why don't you believe it?<br /><br />Remember, I have been saying that the Bible is written for those who don't believe in Jesus Christ.<br />The Bible is NOT written for me; the reason is, because I know the Lord Jesus Christ personally. And I believe that the Bible is God's Word WITHOUT errors.<br />Did all the Apostle and disciples had a Bible?<br />The answer is NO ! They didn't need a Bible because they knew the Lord Jesus Christ personally and believed in Him just as I do.<br /> <br />The Bible was written for those who cannot put up with sound doctrines like you and anyone else who does NOT believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and in His written Word the Scriptures (Bible).<br />If the Bible has errors, then show us where those errors are.<br />Paul Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15227545422232659930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-22990275365171247052017-05-08T13:39:41.339-04:002017-05-08T13:39:41.339-04:00Mounce Greek Interlinear
I haven't made it a...<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=genesis+2&version=MOUNCE" rel="nofollow">Mounce Greek Interlinear</a> <br /><br />I haven't made it all the way through, but it is promising.Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-61653717282975150542017-05-08T13:16:23.649-04:002017-05-08T13:16:23.649-04:00I love to see Mounce Greek Linear.I love to see Mounce Greek Linear.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01240624055310283596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-62002429824922904052017-05-08T11:36:38.438-04:002017-05-08T11:36:38.438-04:00First of all, I really love our conversations. Alw...First of all, I really love our conversations. Always Have. Always Will. Yes, I know that you love the CJB. I do too. God has used Dr. Stern to draw the Jews and the Gentiles, back into the body. I still use it as reference, at times, but less, since I found out that the Masoretic Text was changed, in a vane attempt to counter Messianic claims.<br /><br />I haven't seen or heard too many preachers teaching the Bible lately. I agree that the main problem is the people refusing to know more about God. Don't you think that has a lot to do with the version of the bible they are using? Just Kidding....kind of.Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-53030699251714448432017-05-08T11:12:04.224-04:002017-05-08T11:12:04.224-04:00Noooooo, the original text would be even better!! ...Noooooo, the original text would be even better!! All I am saying is for those who do not know about the original text God can still save them and the message is still there for them. We can still teach from it. We can still learn from it. But to get the full value of it...the meat, not the milk, then you go to the source. It's the same thing preachers have been doing but in their own way. The problem is when people refuse to know more about God. I agree if you have the original text then teach from it. Some just may not be able to handle the meat yet. You know I love to teach with the CJB.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01240624055310283596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-32848265226164117782017-05-08T10:54:04.342-04:002017-05-08T10:54:04.342-04:00Tim, Isn't that what I've been saying?
If...Tim, Isn't that what I've been saying?<br /><br />If you look back, in the comment section, I wrote, <br /><br />"Now, as for the salvational text, I agree that God has preserved the ones necessary for salvation. However, most of the rest have been bastardized or corrupted by Satan, to divide the church. It is so obvious. Again, Satan's fingerprints are all over them and has been his method of driving a wedge between God and his people, since the garden incident."<br /><br />That was actually before the influx of the 99.8% knowledge boost, that I got from you. :-P LOL<br /><br />As for the English versions being used to bring people to the Messiah, are you saying the original text wouldn't? <br /><br />So, in reality, you are saying to use a compromised text to lead them into salvation, but tell them afterwards, that if you want to know God and develop a closeness with him, you have to use this other version. Makes no sense to me to intentionally muddy the waters. I actually cry sometimes, when I think about all those years I missed, by going down the wrong path. Again, why not start off with the real scriptures, instead of starting with a stumbling block, immediately after giving yourself to the Messiah?Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-16331694103575599862017-05-08T10:21:34.987-04:002017-05-08T10:21:34.987-04:00Yes Keith, the scriptures we have are very relevan...Yes Keith, the scriptures we have are very relevant, useful, and can lead people to Christ. Otherwise I would not be a Christian. When I go back and see the original meaning to the scripture, I get a deeper feel for God and what He really wants me to know. My dad said this one time: do you want to go to heaven in a volkswagon or a cadillac? Reading the KJV, NIV, or NLT will get you that relationship that is needed. They all say Jesus came and died and resurrected. But they will not let you know all about God.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01240624055310283596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-72671419906742921842017-05-08T09:00:34.907-04:002017-05-08T09:00:34.907-04:00Tim and Paul, I totally concur with Tim's last...Tim and Paul, I totally concur with Tim's last comment to you. You are missing out on a deep, valuable and loving relationship with the God of the Universe.Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-16451537700062868492017-05-08T08:43:35.916-04:002017-05-08T08:43:35.916-04:00Tim, I agree that the truth is for only those who ...Tim, I agree that the truth is for only those who have the Spirit of God, within them. So, Yes, it wasn't until I was saved, that my ears were open to the truth. I know we both believe that. Are you saying that the compromised versions are useful, in some way? Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-87624545122262804162017-05-08T08:39:06.222-04:002017-05-08T08:39:06.222-04:00Good Point Brenda! I agree, as I have said many ti...Good Point Brenda! I agree, as I have said many times, that God has preserved his salvational doctrine through all versions. This reveals the fingerprints of its supernatural origin. However, as for the rest, Satan's fingerprints are just as prevalent. The rest are to assist in developing our personal relationship with the God of the Universe. <br /><br />As designed, it requires the believer to dig out the truth, here a little, there a little, precept upon precept. Didn't God, speaking through Solomon, say, "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing; but the glory of kings is to search out a matter."?<br /><br />You are correct. It is our choice to choose the compromised translations or search it out, in the earliest text. I think the choice is obvious. Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-57345851150031332832017-05-08T08:37:05.835-04:002017-05-08T08:37:05.835-04:00**were you saved*****were you saved***Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01240624055310283596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-78619820825930775782017-05-08T08:36:47.185-04:002017-05-08T08:36:47.185-04:00Keith,
Yes. But were saved before or after you k...Keith,<br /><br />Yes. But were saved before or after you knew that?Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01240624055310283596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-88707531939837718062017-05-08T08:32:01.150-04:002017-05-08T08:32:01.150-04:00Paul,
It does help knowing what language it was w...Paul,<br /><br />It does help knowing what language it was written in. For example, down your way in your neighbor Australia, if I said we were rooting for something, they would take offense. If I knew the actual language I would understand why there is an offense. To the USA it just means to support something. It would profit both the writer and the reader. When I say You are welcome in spanish--- de nada actually means "of nothing", it doesn't translate perfectly. Saying goodbye in English is adios is spanish, but it actually means "with God". So, yes knowing the original language IS beneficial.<br /><br />You say there are no originals but YOUR post told us all what an original is. The very first time God had man write this down was the original, so how can there not be any original? I understand everything we have TODAY is a copy but what was the first printing of God’s word written in? You have to know it was not English. Etymology shows you how English developed over time. It is a Germanic language that mixed with some Romance over the years. We have Old English (Germanic) then Middle English (Middle Ages to the KJV) to Modern English. If you are saying all we left are copies, sure, we all know that, but that is what Keith is saying. The copies of a copy of a copy of a copy may not be the exact word since languages change and do not translate well.<br /><br />How did you get the Bible you use? Did you buy it in a store, or did God give it to you? If you said, you bought it then it has been translated from a different language. If you say God gave it to you then see a doctor.<br /><br />Moses had to be educated in Hebrew and Egyptian, that is what he was. How is it debatable? His name Moeshe is Hebrew. Moses is like Thutmoses. Both languages were similar.<br /><br />You said, <b> “And remember, the Lord Jesus Christ does NOT write to you or to anyone else in a language you do NOT understand.” </b> So if I was Jewish, YOU just said He would speak to me in Hebrew. Jesus’ name would be Yeshua IN HEBREW. YOU JUST SAID IT YOURSELF. <br /><br />Now, the rest I pretty much agree with you. But, you would be blessed even more if you knew the deepest of meanings of words from God you get so much more. I think you do you have a relationship but you are obsessed with one topic and limit Him and that is limiting you in your joy.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01240624055310283596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-50926545104590776582017-05-08T08:21:15.572-04:002017-05-08T08:21:15.572-04:00Hey Tim, Hebrew and Greek has been around for a lo...Hey Tim, Hebrew and Greek has been around for a long time and was available to those who translated and are translating the scriptures. I'm a purist. Any translation or change from the original or earliest is compromise. Saying otherwise is just like saying a little white lie is not really a lie.<br /><br />Don't you think that if the scriptures were maintained, Paul's doctrine would not have legs to stand on?Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-77647462114578484752017-05-08T07:25:45.083-04:002017-05-08T07:25:45.083-04:00BrendaMay 8, 2017 at 7:23 AM
Hi Keith,
yes Satan ...BrendaMay 8, 2017 at 7:23 AM<br /><br />Hi Keith,<br />yes Satan may have blinded people from the truth, but it is still our choice whether we believe or not in what is written. <br />Even though there are errors in the different versions of the Bible the truth regarding God and Jesus is in all of them:-<br />1 Corinthians ch. 15 vs. 20-28 clearly states:-<br />'But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep. For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy that will be abolished is death. For He has put all things in subjection under His feet. But when He says, 'All things are put in subjection,' it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him. When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.'<br /><br />The fact is that it is our choice whether we believe what is written or not, and when a person keeps trying to prove the scriptures wrong (which they can never do) then I believe it is simply because they have to argue to sustain what they falsely believe, especially when they do not even share part of the testimony which they claim to have. Don't you think it strange when nobody appears to come onto that person's site to agree with them?<br />Brendahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16165344093549650260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-53544443825214760102017-05-08T07:20:35.773-04:002017-05-08T07:20:35.773-04:00Keith,
That just makes you 99.8% smarter than you...Keith,<br /><br />That just makes you 99.8% smarter than you were.<br /><br />I don't think we "give in". I think whoever was translating was doing the best they could given the time period and changes of lanuage. <br /> You have to remember that we weren't as thorough as we are now. Some words to them in 1500 such a LORD may have been THEE word to translate to. That is why I don't like the KJV, although it is pretty accurate. But that is also wahy I like the CJB and MOUNCE and stuff becuase it uses the words that are closest to what was written while it was being written. Now to agree with you that if we keep moving away from what was originally written and we lose he true meaning then yes we went wrong. I don't think God would allow that. I feel we still get the message, even the short limitations that some of us (uh..um) have with God's word. I do not think saying LORD instead of YHWH is "erroneous" as in misleading but it is limiting what you can get out of it. I have already stated the other part that you said. I agree if man takes this limitation and creates a new doctrine out of it then it becomes misleading.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01240624055310283596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-53045089147099827362017-05-08T07:03:21.527-04:002017-05-08T07:03:21.527-04:00Ok, Paul, The first complete English bible is the ...Ok, Paul, The first complete English bible is the Wycliffe bible. Later, the KJV. Of course, now, we have so many versions. Which one has authority of the truth?Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-53336577036938191652017-05-08T06:33:12.057-04:002017-05-08T06:33:12.057-04:00Hi Brenda, I agree. We must keep Gods Word pure in...Hi Brenda, I agree. We must keep Gods Word pure in our hearts. Otherwise, we get erroneous doctrines, such as Paul's doctrine. It used to amaze me to see such doctrines. However, Satan has done a great job of blinding people from the truth.Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.com