tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post4054645371864986139..comments2024-02-26T06:31:34.231-05:00Comments on Perceptions From Beyond Time And Space: Yahweh, Posts His Claim On The CrossKeithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-53738824177020378372016-09-09T11:26:19.498-04:002016-09-09T11:26:19.498-04:00No DoubtSeptember 9, 2016 at 10:10 AM
Hey Tim, Ple...No DoubtSeptember 9, 2016 at 10:10 AM<br />Hey Tim, Please follow this link, for today's post. It has two verses. <br /><br /><a href="https://time-space-perceptions.blogspot.com/2016/09/the-original-biblical-text-reveals.html?m=0" rel="nofollow">Original Text Decimated Trinity Doctrine</a><br /> <br />Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-6786888080785258202016-09-08T17:35:02.190-04:002016-09-08T17:35:02.190-04:00**know which verses....**know which verses....Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01240624055310283596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-8825319594057602762016-09-08T17:34:55.492-04:002016-09-08T17:34:55.492-04:00**know which verses....**know which verses....Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01240624055310283596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-77843737671636410592016-09-08T17:34:35.448-04:002016-09-08T17:34:35.448-04:00Out of curiosity, how do you which verses were &qu...Out of curiosity, how do you which verses were "were added"?<br /><br />Are you saying that every place where there is a distinction that it was added later and cannot be trusted?<br /><br />Can you explain how God operates? How many manifestations have been actually recorded? I want the full story here.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01240624055310283596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-59165105997327609502016-09-07T22:16:48.103-04:002016-09-07T22:16:48.103-04:00Tim, The big problem, that I have with the Trinity...Tim, The big problem, that I have with the Trinity, as it is presented, within the Body today, is that it's not supported in the scriptures. Even the verses, which appears to support God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, were added, at a later date. Without those verses, the scriptures clearly and consistently point out that there is but one God, whose Holy Spirit guides and express's God power. Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-1886286428084945862016-09-07T17:42:59.972-04:002016-09-07T17:42:59.972-04:00Keith,
His main argument is that he thinks we are...Keith,<br /><br />His main argument is that he thinks we are claiming that there is God in one complete separate essence, Jesus in another complete essence, and the Holy Spirit as another, and that they have no connection with each other; like Hinduism.<br /><br />That is not what the concept of the Trinity is. My mind is moving my body but my body sometimes flinches on its own. Yet, guess what!!!! It's still all me. My mind fights my spirit when making decisions and many times my body wants in on the thought process. And guess what!!!! It's still all me. And if that concept can work for a mere physical being then why is it so hard to see an all powerful supernatural spiritual God to be the same way? Especially if we are made in His image.<br /><br />One thing he has said over and over again, here and there, is that the math doesn't add up. 1+1+1<>1 BUT mathematically it does work; 1*1*1=1. That cannot be denied, if you want to use mere math to explain God.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01240624055310283596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-37136918739888716132016-09-07T11:14:01.482-04:002016-09-07T11:14:01.482-04:00Hey Tim, Again, I agree! The scriptures are a four...Hey Tim, Again, I agree! The scriptures are a four dimensional description of an infinately dimensional God. It's easy for our limited minds to put God into a box and restrict him to our existence.<br /><br />Paul, You see, In God's reality, every dimension has an existence unto itself, but makes up a complete being. That's why it was Elohim, translated as Gods, created the universe. It is not that there are three or more actual Gods, but an infinately dimensional God. Your Puritan Beliefs restrict your understanding to your carnal mind. Get back to the doctrine of God and let his Spirit guide you into an understanding that will blow your mind and draw you closer to the God of all Creation. He's waiting and wanting for you to step closer and embrace him. He does love you so much. Come home, my friend.Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-69299172433789145552016-09-07T10:55:55.401-04:002016-09-07T10:55:55.401-04:00Yes Ma'am!Yes Ma'am!Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-22516025932575247502016-09-07T09:11:07.087-04:002016-09-07T09:11:07.087-04:00To add to my own comment because I forgot:
This i...To add to my own comment because I forgot:<br /><br />This is why Jesus could have died. God did not die, but the physical body of Jesus the man did. That is not to say that God died with Him. The flesh died as all mankind does. But His flesh was raised again. If Jesus was only 100% God then God died. If He was 100% man then God did not live here. If He was 50-50 then what would that mean for us? That He only died for part of us? That only half His promises are good?<br /><br />He was both 100-100!!!!Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01240624055310283596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-76695158478228454722016-09-07T09:05:20.492-04:002016-09-07T09:05:20.492-04:00Paul said, "Why not ? The Scriptures said tha...Paul said, "Why not ? The Scriptures said that this 100% God (Jesus) was born into His own creation through a virgin and was in appearance just like one of us, the carpenters son who lived just like you and me, except without sin."<br /><br />Scripture also says He was 100% man. Hebrews 4:15 says, "For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet he did not sin."<br /><br />How can God be born unless He was a man? How could He have suffered pain, unless He was a man? How could God cry and be filled with human emotions unless He was a man?<br /><br />He was both 100% God AND 100% man.<br /><br />Paul said, "Now, if you would believe your answer, then there could be no other God next of the Lord Jesus who is 100% God."<br /><br />I believe; you just can't grasp the concept because you are using your mind and not your spirit to understand how God is.<br /><br /><br />Paul said, "'The Holy Spirit is the Lord Jesus just as the Scriptures said (2 Cor. 3:17), Jesus without flesh.' Jesus is the Holy Spirit just the it says in John 4:24 and then caused Himself to be born into His own creation, or clothed Himself in flesh, (veiled the incarnated Deity)."<br /><br />Amen. You just gave all three in example. It's a simple concept. I can't understand why it's so hard to get.<br /><br />God made man in His image. We are three in one. We are body, soul, and spirit. My body is me. My mind is me. My spirit is me. I cannot live without any of them. If I live without my spirit, I am only part of creation like an animal or plant. If I live without my mind, I am an invalid with no impact. i f I live without my body, I am not part of this world. Yet, I don't hear you saying how man is not three in one. Can you see how man is like that? Do you think we could live without any parts of us?<br /><br />Paul said, "Yes you are right, I do not speak Hebrew, but why then don't those who claim to speak Hebrew do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Lord God the Almighty the creator of heaven and earth?"<br /><br />Some do. I don't get your point?<br /><br />And Keith, this is not to say that God is limited to any dimension or personna, but we have to see from scripture that this is who He is. Can we find another personna of Him in scripture? Do we see where these three personnas are not identified?Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01240624055310283596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-31976422013873743902016-09-03T09:10:15.759-04:002016-09-03T09:10:15.759-04:00Hi Paul, The Bible tells us that we are restricted...Hi Paul, The Bible tells us that we are restricted to a four dimensional reality, while God inhabits eternity. He enjoys a control over our reality, which includes the dimension of time.Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-8103076300372711382016-09-01T07:08:45.007-04:002016-09-01T07:08:45.007-04:00OK Keith, then you tell me, how does God know the ...OK Keith, then you tell me, how does God know the future ? :-)Paul Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15227545422232659930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-77057885064844081662016-08-31T14:05:47.361-04:002016-08-31T14:05:47.361-04:00Keep testifying, Brenda!!!!Keep testifying, Brenda!!!!Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-81705344614626661612016-08-31T10:16:14.280-04:002016-08-31T10:16:14.280-04:00Paul,
You ask a very good question. "How does... Paul,<br />You ask a very good question. "How does God know the future? Does he have a crystal ball?"<br /><br />The first step to answering that question, for yourself, is understanding the multidimensionality of God. Understanding the multidimensionality of God will also allow you to see how Y'Shua, Jesus, can be 100% man while being 100% God. Once again, opening your eyes to The truth of the Scriptures is your next step. I hope and pray you take it. God is waiting for you. Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-74372446343651929392016-08-31T08:55:26.815-04:002016-08-31T08:55:26.815-04:00Thank you for sharing that with us Brenda.
How doe...Thank you for sharing that with us Brenda.<br />How does God know the future ? Does He have a crystal ball ? :-) <br />Paul Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15227545422232659930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-46348878781632353402016-08-30T12:06:11.413-04:002016-08-30T12:06:11.413-04:00Nicely put.Nicely put.Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-80843632787391623272016-08-30T12:03:34.459-04:002016-08-30T12:03:34.459-04:00B'ruch Attah, Y'Shua, B'shem Adonai!!!...B'ruch Attah, Y'Shua, B'shem Adonai!!!!!Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-599270524506937462016-08-30T12:02:40.586-04:002016-08-30T12:02:40.586-04:00Paul, That's correct. YHWH, Elohim is one....a...Paul, That's correct. YHWH, Elohim is one....and then there's the Messiah. It's a simple and scripturally based concept. Not two gods talking to each other as you are espousing. Not a god that talks or prays to himself as you espouse. Not a god that is conflicted, not knowing and even questioning his own will at times. No!!!! God is one. <br /><br />The Messiah is one. <br /><br />They are one in Spirit. <br /><br />Not one Father losing his mind and questioning himself, as you espouse.<br /><br />You are also correct. You must believe in the Lord Y'shua. But that is not enough. You must get to know him. I believe that you definitely believe in Y'shua, but you definitely do not know him. Y'shua is the Messiah, a faithful and loving son, who willingly sacrificed himself for your sins, according to the will of his Father.Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-50255914175475860152016-08-30T07:42:28.685-04:002016-08-30T07:42:28.685-04:00Hi Paul,
just read your question to me.
When I ha...Hi Paul,<br />just read your question to me.<br /><br />When I have read these verses before in my walk with the Lord other verses that have been spoken to me have come straight into my mind. One is from Jeremiah ch. 1:-'the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 'Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.'<br />This and the following verses were spoken to me very vividly after I first became born again of God's Spirit, and went together with what had happened seven years previous in my 'death experience'. I was also shown that just as John the Baptist went in the spirit of Elijah, we too, when we are called to serve the Lord, can be spoken to spiritually through the scriptures as we are guided by the Holy Spirit to do what we are called to do within Spiritual Israel in our walk with the Lord.<br /><br />When I was taken to that place which I believe I was shown was the third Heaven, Paradise, I knew I had been there before I was born - my twenty eight years of life was as a dream compared to it.<br />The Lord has also shown me through the spoken Word to me in Psalm 139 v. 16:- 'Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; And in Your book were all written The days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was not one of them.' <br /><br />So I believe that where Ephesians ch. 1 vs. 3-5 read 'Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms. For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will,…'<br />God already knew what was going to happen in my life before the foundation of the world because He sees the end from the beginning.<br /><br /><br />Brendahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16165344093549650260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-77100106648391908422016-08-30T04:51:15.585-04:002016-08-30T04:51:15.585-04:00Hi Tim, I'm glad to see you participate in tha...Hi Tim, I'm glad to see you participate in that age old debate, whether God is one or two or three persons.<br /><br /> # 4. You said, "If He is 100% God then He never did live like us and never did feel what we feel thereby negating any feelings He has for us. The only answer is He is 100% both."<br /><br />Why not ? The Scriptures said that this 100% God (Jesus) was born into His own creation through a virgin and was in appearance just like one of us, the carpenters son who lived just like you and me, except without sin.<br /><br />Now, if you would believe your answer, then there could be no other God next of the Lord Jesus who is 100% God.<br /><br />The Holy Spirit is the Lord Jesus just as the Scriptures said (2 Cor. 3:17), Jesus without flesh.<br />Jesus is the Holy Spirit just the it says in John 4:24 and then caused Himself to be born into His own creation, or clothed Himself in flesh, (veiled the incarnated Deity).<br /><br />No my friend, there are not three persons who are God. They told you a lie, God is only ONE person Jesus Christ our Lord and only God.<br /> <br />Yes you are right, I do not speak Hebrew, but why then don't those who claim to speak Hebrew do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Lord God the Almighty the creator of heaven and earth ?<br />Paul Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15227545422232659930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-66759709326384833442016-08-30T04:47:47.149-04:002016-08-30T04:47:47.149-04:00Brenda, what does that mean to you, that we were i...Brenda, what does that mean to you, that we were in Christ BEFORE the foundation of the world ?<br />Paul Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15227545422232659930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-75053749714098225932016-08-30T04:46:58.352-04:002016-08-30T04:46:58.352-04:00Well, that was a good attempt my friend :-) But n...Well, that was a good attempt my friend :-) But not good enough.<br />If Jesus is 100% God, and the one who raised Him from the dead is also 100% God, then you have TWO gods.<br />But Jesus said, 'Hear O Israel, the Lord your God is ONE' ! and not two.<br />At the same time it causes you not to believe in Jesus. Remember, Jesus said that He raised Himself from the dead (John 2:19), then why don't you believe Him ?<br /><br />No my friend, the Lord Jesus is not schizophrenic. He had to swear by Himself (Hebr. 6:13) and pray to Himself (John 17: ….) because there was NO other God to swear and pray by.<br /><br />You need to ask yourself, why did Jesus pray, if He is 100% God ?<br />Are you saying that one of your 100% gods was a sinner and needed to pray to another god who is also 100% god ?<br />Remember, only sinners need to pray, but surely not one who is 100% God.<br /> <br />Keith, all that confusion comes because you are unwilling to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. <br />Paul Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15227545422232659930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-76454296808479954482016-08-29T20:51:16.821-04:002016-08-29T20:51:16.821-04:00Paul,
I said this probably almost two years ago:...Paul, <br /><br />I said this probably almost two years ago: 1+1=2, sure, but 1 X 1= 1. They are not added together, They are side by side. Your mathematical argument holds no water.<br /><br />YOu have a few choices here:<br />1. Jesus is 50% man and 50% God<br />2. Jesus is 100% God and 0% man<br />3. Jesus is 0% God and 100% man<br />4. Jesus is 100% God and 100% man<br /><br />Anything besides #4 makes the life of Jesus meaningless. If He is only half God then He is not God. If He is 100% man then He is not God. If He is 100% God then He never did live like us and never did feel what we feel thereby negating any feelings He has for us. The only answer is He is 100% both. John 3 tells us this. In basically the same breath He calls Himself the Son of Man when He says He must be lifted up and He calls Himself the only begotten Son of God.<br /><br />This is the only way He can be a judge over mankind. He became flesh. He lived like us. He WAS a man. And at the same time still God. I don't understand why you can't get that concept. Stop thinking 3D.<br /><br />And yes there IS a Holy Spirit. Are you denying there is? If you are not denying it then what is the Holy Spirit? Just an angel? If you are denying there is one then you deny scripture.<br /><br />Your comments about the Hebrew language just prove that you do not know enough about the language. It's called tetragrammaton. How do you think we got the word "Jehovah"? That word is not in the original language. It's not even English. Even in Latin it was Iehovah.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01240624055310283596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-59180229714179983392016-08-29T10:03:48.606-04:002016-08-29T10:03:48.606-04:00Amen to what you have said Keith, and how wonderfu...Amen to what you have said Keith, and how wonderful that Jesus' sacrifice enabled all who believe in His name to become children of God. We are a new creation in Christ Jesus!Brendahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16165344093549650260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2678887618770375136.post-2147535661896791462016-08-29T08:48:57.161-04:002016-08-29T08:48:57.161-04:00Hi Paul,
You said, "Tell me, how can Jesus be...Hi Paul,<br />You said, "Tell me, how can Jesus be 100% God and needed to be resurrect by another one from the dead?<br />If Jesus needed another one to resurrect Him, He would not be 100% God." <br /><br />That's a very good questiion and one that you need to answer, to fully understand who Y'Shua, Jesus was and is and always will be. <br /><br />God's Law requires a perfect sacrifice for the retribution of sins. Since Man sinned, man has to die for his sins. The problem was that there was no perfect man. Therefore, God provided a perfect man. However, since all been have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God, God started from scratch and created a perfect Adam, in the womb of a virgin woman according to scripture, free from the sin gene. That man was Y'Shua, Jesus. 100% Man. That's body and mind, which makes up the flesh side. However, there is another side, that is the spiritual side. <br /><br />To live is life perfectly, the Man had to process the perfect knowledge of God's will. Therefore, God dwelled within Him. 100% God. <br /><br />For Y'Shua, Jesus, to be a perfect replacement, he had to have a free will to choose or refuse Gods way. This was shown in the garden, when he prayed, " Not my will, but thy will be done." <br /><br />For your theory, to be correct, God must talk to himself, be schizophrenic at times, be conflicted at times, be able to die, be made sin, I can go on, but all is against his nature.Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254093786094787764noreply@blogger.com