Getting back to Dawkins comment, he went on to imply that because there were errors, within the Bible, that would have pushed him to renounce God and his Word. However, the fact is that Jesus was(is) an intelligent and logical man, steeped in knowledge of the Torah and the Prophets, with the fullness of God dwelling within him. Jesus knew exactly what the Bible says. He lived it. He acknowledged it. He taught it as truth. There are no errors, within the Bible. How would living in today's world change that? It wouldn't. With that said, what Dawkins did do is acknowledge that those, just like Jesus, who are intelligent and moral could actually see the facts, as they are and see that Jesus is exactly who he said he is. The Son of God, who came to this earth to die as the ultimate sacrifice for our sins.
And that's what you'll find, When You Search For The Truth.
Amen Keith, Jesus is exactly who He says He is, and when we search for the truth we shall find it. Still not back on the Internet Keith, but hope to be back blogging soon
ReplyDeleteAm at my son and daughter in law's house at moment so am able to connect to blog on my mobile through wifi in their home.
Atheists have the problem that they do not realise there is a superior intellect in the universe, like a dog not realising its owner has a superior intellect.
ReplyDeleteWe can be thankful that God has spoken in the person of the Son.
Hi Brenda, Sounds like you're settling in and you are slowly getting back into blogging. I'm glad everything is going well.
ReplyDeleteAs for Jesus being who he said he is, I think it's especially nice when God moves someone, like Dawkins, to support it, without knowing they are. :-)
God always knows exactly what He is doing.
DeleteHey David, You and I are in total agreement.
ReplyDeleteStill not on line in the new house Keith but get free WiFi in certain places when I am out. Am in the hospital waiting for someone at the moment and realised I could get free WiFi here. A man got it on my mobile for me so I just came over to visit. I will not be able to get back blogging until I am connected in the house but am looking forward to it again. At the moment loads going on and am attending a nice church gathering where at the moment the Holy spirit is being discussed. God bless you and yours, will have a lot to catch up on but there is a time for everything and every day in our lives is written in His book before even one of them was formed.
ReplyDeleteAtheists! Always trying to commit Jesus to "Just A Man" status. Stupid Atheists.
ReplyDeleteHey Chris! I thought you ran away. Once again, we agree. God Bless You, My Friend.
ReplyDeleteHi Keith, I think he is also a blind who leads the blind and you know what happens to both of them ?
ReplyDeleteYes you guessed rightly, both will fall into the pit.
Adam is also a son of God (Luke 3:38). But the Lord Jesus Christ, He certainly is not the son of a god called Yahweh.
The Lord Jesus Christ is only CALLED the Son of God (Luke 1:35), that is because of His incarnation.
But the truth is, Jesus is GOD who is called the Son.
Hey Paul, It's good to see that you are still alive. Thanks, for your comment, but we will have to agree to disagree, on that point. I hope work and your daily life is going ok.
ReplyDeleteNo Keith, you should know that I never agree to disagree. I ONLY agree with what the Lord Jesus Christ is saying and if you would agree with Him, then we both would be agreement with the Lord, and then there would be NO division.
ReplyDeleteBut as it is, there is a great division, as you well know.
Yes Keith everything is going great :-)
I’m glad to hear everything is going great and I believe you when you say you trust in God as your Savior. As for our disagreements, he’ll explain it to us when he comes back for us.
ReplyDeleteNo no my friend, the Lord Jesus Christ is not going to tell you when He comes, He is telling you now.
ReplyDeleteOr else you left behind.
I’m sorry,Paul, you misunderstood. But rest assured we will have it explained to us how his Word has been misunderstood.
ReplyDeleteI don’t think that the Lord Jesus Christ writes His Word so that you can misunderstand it.
ReplyDeleteWe both know that you really don’t want to believe what it written so PLAIN and simple.
Remember, it is WRITTEN, so that we are without excuse.
Paul, The Gospel of the Messiah is truly easy to understand. That is akin to Y’shua knocking at the door and you opening it. However, as for developing a closer relationship with God, he did say,
ReplyDelete“Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
For precept will be precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little. For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.”
And
It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings.
Therefore, it is not as simple as you think.
Look my friend, when you start to quote a passage from the Bible, you need to finish what the Lord Jesus was saying, “And, “Here is repose,” but they would not listen”.
ReplyDeleteJust like you who will not listen.
And then He said, a little here, a little there, that they may go and stumble backward, be broken, snared and taken captive.
Paul, the reason for precept upon precept doesn't change the fact that the Bible is precept upon precept.
ReplyDeleteYes Keith, that's right, as I have said above, but they will NOT listen.
ReplyDeleteJust like you my friend :-)
ReplyDeleteAnd they put their fingers in their ears.
Paul, Romans 10:17 says,
ReplyDelete"Faith comes by hearing, but hearing comes by way of the Word of Yahweh."
You must know the Word of Yahweh, before you can hear. You can have your ears open as wide as possible, but if you haven't heard the Word of Yahweh, then you can't hear at all.
No Keith, Jesus Christ is the Word and NOT Yahweh, Yahweh is an impostor a false god who has deceived you.
ReplyDeleteAnd it is the Lord Jesus Christ who has said that you were DEAD in your sins and trespases and it is Jesus Christ who has made you alive in Him.
Yes, faith comes by hearing of the Word of God, but you cannot hear His voice because you are dead and dead people cannot hear His voice, and for this reason the Lord Jesus said, “the DEAD shall hear His voice and those who hear will live” (John 5:25).
Look my friend, you need to throw that false god Yahweh out of your life, and then you might hear the voice of the Lord and live.
Paul, you are correct, when you say that Y’shua is the Word of Yahweh manifested. God spoke and Y’shua, the man, with the Fullness of God dwelling within him, was created within the virgin, Mariam. Yahweh has given us Y’shua to make the truth of his Word known to us and give us redemption. Yes, the Word of God is alive and very fervent, within me. The Spirit of God flutters within me, as it did on the first day of creation. I have a hope that is beyond words. How do I know that I’m Remnant? Because I can close my physical eyes and open my spiritual eyes to the presence of God. Eternity is shown to me from beyond the beginning of time and space to the time where we will serve the King of Kings and worship Yahweh his Father. It’s very vivid and becomes clearer with every passing day. I want that for you and everyone. God Bleas you, my friend.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely NOT.
ReplyDeleteThe Word of God is NOT Y’shua, and neither is Y’shua the Word of Yahweh.
This is far from the truth and is unbiblical.
Only Jesus Christ can make the truth known to you and NOT this man which you call Y’shua.
We don’t know any Y’shua at all, but we know Jesus Christ who is the Lord of all, and every knee ought to bow and every tongue confess that the Lord JESUS CHRIST is the Lord God the Almighty the creator of heaven and earth, the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.
1 John 2:23 “Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.”
Then He said, “You know neither Me nor My Father; if you knew Me, you would know My Father also.” (John 8:19)
You love taking verses out of context, Paul. Let's look at John 6:44:
ReplyDelete"They were saying, “Isn’t this Y'shua the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can He now say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?” Yeshua answered, “Stop grumbling among yourselves! No one can come to Me unless My Father who sent Me draws him."
Y'shua, who you call Jesus, is the son of man (David) and the Son of God (Yahweh).
Again, very scriptural, my friend.
No my friend, Jesus is NOT the son of David and neither is He the son of God.
ReplyDeleteJesus is only CALLED the Son of God, that is because of His incarnation and He is CALLED the Son of David so that we can trace Jesus back to the line of Adam, remember Jesus is called the second Adam.
The Lord Jesus Christ does NOT and can NOT have a Father just as the Scriptures said in Hebrews 7:3 and the reason was, God became a man, He was born in the likeness of Adams image through the virgin Mary (Immanuel) God with us.
Look my friend, all the Prophets of God have been saying that throughout the Old Testament.
All you have to do is believing in Him.
I’m afraid, there is NOT OTHER way.
Paul, Why do think that there’s two genealogies for Y’shua. One is naturally. One is supernatural. Every time Y’shua interpreted and quoted the Word of God, he did it literally.
ReplyDeleteI do believe in Yahweh and his Word which manifested in Y’shua, our salvation.
Also, if you say that he was only CALLED the Son of Man or CALLED the Son of God, then I could easily say he was only CALLED the Everlasting Father or only CALLED Emmanuel. You can’t have it both ways.
As for Hebrew 7, we already explained Paul’s reference to Melchizedek.
Keith, there are only two lines of genealogies for all mankind, the line of Adam, God’s children and the line of the serpent the beast children just as the Lord Jesus Christ has told us in Genesis 3:14 He said to the serpent, “Your children shall be in enmity with Eve’s children”.
ReplyDeleteYou see, if we would only have one line, we would NOT have the knowledge of good and evil, it would be impossible for us to know and understand, and it would be meaningless.
I have put up a post concerning that, “PARABLE of opposites and knowledge”.
The line of the serpent’s children Gen.4:17 on till the flood, and then we don’t know anymore, because the serpent’s children have been inbred with the Sons of God, we all have become mongrels :-)
That of course is appart from the Lord Jesus Christ, because He is the only begotten Son of God, meaning the only one KIND.
The family tree of man, the good and the evil line was made known to Adam and also to me, but to Adam, he only knew it till he died, 950 years from the beginning, but to us we know the line of the elect till our Lord Jesus Christ.
After Jesus Christ we can only know them by the Spirit of the Lord, for, it is the Spirit that bears witness that we are the sons of God.
Look my friend, Yahweh is not the God of the Bible, that is the devil, and there is no man who is called Y’shua in the Bible, and the Bible is the Word of God, and NO other book.
As for Hebrew 7, Keith, don’t you know that there is only only ONE man who has no beginning and no end and the is the man Christ Jesus our Lord ?
In other words, there is ONLY God who has no beginning and no end, and that is the Lord Jesus Christ who became a man Immanuel God with us.
Well, that’s a fanciful story, Paul, but there are no Biblical facts, to back it up. Also, it has no relevancy to our immediate discussion. Y’shua is the Son of Man and the Son of Yahweh. The Word of Yahweh manifested. That my friend is in the Bible,
ReplyDeleteOy vey!
ReplyDeleteMatthew's line of genealogy shows the Messiah fulfilling Jewish prophecy since that book was written to a Jewish audience, hence all the "kingdom of God" in it.
Luke is showing the genealogy that Jesus is also the son of man. Hence why it the longest dedicated passages to Jesus' childhood. The audience here are the Gentiles. To show that we are a lost generation/race without this Christ.
What nonsense. Although, Paul, that Gen 3:14 is your strongest point about your theory. It just doesn't hold water in the end. Props...
Totally agree Tim. Also, in Gen 4, Eve says, "“With the help of the Lord I have brought forth a man.” That was Cain.
ReplyDeleteSo, if Paul is correct, then God assisted with the creation of the sinful man line of Satan. Naaa. Don't buy it and it goes against the Will and Nature of God to directly create sinful things.
Even before that part it plainly says that Adam knew Eve and she conceived and she bore Cain. Same sentence---same context. Adam's sons were Cain, Abel, Seth and a few more...
ReplyDeleteNow I feel that Paul's theory has some validity when it comes to Genesis 6:4, but nothing else.
What is scary is that there are a lot of people, like Paul, that don’t read the Bible, but pass on erroneous doctrines, which are taught to them by man. Satan has done a great job in recruiting unknowing disciples and they are out there in force.
ReplyDelete“So, if Paul is correct, then God assisted with the creation of the sinful man line of Satan. Naaa. Don't buy it and it goes against the Will and Nature of God to directly create sinful things.”
ReplyDeleteDo you think that the Lord Jesus Christ was surprised when the serpent and Adam and Eve were sinning ?
Or do you think that after He created Adam and Eve and the serpent who was able to speak were sinning, that the Lord thought that He must have made a mistake by creating them ?
No my friend, that’s foolish thinking.
If you would believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, then you would know that He is a ‘ALL WISE’ creator God who has created everything after the counsel of His will.
Paul,I know that you don’t like it when the scriptures get in the way of your doctrines.
ReplyDeleteNo one said anything about God making mistakes or God actually doing sinful things other than you, my friend.
If a man does not speak according to His Word, because there is no light in them, or no truth in them. (Isa, 8:20)
ReplyDeleteAdam son was Abel and not Cain, but both were Eve’s sons, that is because Eve became the mother of all living (Gen. 3:20), and then Cain murdered Adams son Abel, because he was the son of the evil one (1 John 3:12).
ReplyDeleteAdam wanted a son who was looking like Adam and not like the beast (Gen. 5:3), and to him was born Seth who was in the image of Adam.
From here on we have the two lines of Adam sons and the serpent sons, or the sons of the Kingdom and the sons of the evil one (Mat. 13:38).
I can't believe I'm going to get in another discussion with Paul about this.
ReplyDeleteOne major flaw Paul. The flood wiped out everyone accept for Noah and family. Are you saying Noah is from Adam or Satan? or are you saying the NON-BIBLICAL idea that it was only a local flood and not global?
The line of Cain one way or another was wiped out unless they could swim for 344 days. But again that would be unbiblical.
Your issue is with the Pharisees (John 8) being called the sons of the devil. But you don't know what that means. And your issue is with people being called sons of the devil (Matt 13). But you don't know what that means either.
Your theory is destroyed by the Bible itself. ADAM KNEW EVE AND THEN SHE BORE CAIN. How can you mess that up? ALL OF THE EARTH WAS DESTROYED BUT NOAH. No line of Cain alive.
Now if you want to talk about the nephilim then that is different and can match your theory to en extent.
See, your theory doesn't hold water...NOAH, pun intended.
Paul, although you quoted Isaiah 8:20 out of context, I agree with your intended assertion.
ReplyDeleteMy question is Why don’t you follow it and read the Bible and what it says, not what you been taught by man?
I am sure that you read the Bible and realize that the actual Word has nothing to substantiate your belief that Satan had sex with Eve and started some evil lineage.
As for the rest, Tim rebuts it quite eloquently, using the Bible, that you say you hold so dearly.
Tim, I like puns. By the way, what's the definition of insanity? :-) LOL We must be.
ReplyDeleteTim, yes you may read the Scriptures, but surely you don’t think what the Scriptures is saying, and neither would you ask the Lord Jesus Christ who wrote the Scriptures.
ReplyDeleteIf you would believe the Scriptures and THINK, then you would know that Eve became the MOTHER of ALL living (Gen. 3:20). And if she was the mother of all living just as the Scriptures said, then what do you think, WHERE was the seed of the serpent on the ark ?
Was it in Noah ? in Ham ? In Japhet ? or in Shem ? not to mention in all their wifes.
Well Tim, I don’t think that you believe that the sons of God went in the daughters of men and bore children by them, and that was before the flood.
Or don’t you believe that in Adam we ALL have died ?
And does that ‘ALL’ include Noah ?
And if that ‘ALL’ included Noah, then do not say that Noah was some kind of a pure line.
Look Tim, I don’t think you understand the ‘fall of mankind’ according to Scriptures.
Paul,
ReplyDeleteThat seems like a good point but it's not accurate.
Yes. Eve became the mother of all living. But that doesn't mean animals too. If it did then she would be the mother of all plants as well since they live. The seed of the serpent was not on the ark because there the seed is not what you think. You placed it on the ark because you believe that the seed is sexual reproduction with Eve. It wasn't. But even so if you were right, do you think God would say that since Noah was righteous that God would save the seed of satan along with him? Not hardly. Noah was not perfect. Neither were his sons and in-laws but that is because of Adam's sin not satan's sexual prowess. As you said, all died in ADAM, not satan. Through Noah Jesus will come. No human line is pure that is why God chose a virgin (untainted by human) and His own seed (the Spirit). Jesus was both God and man but untainted by the world.
I completely believe the sons of God referred to in Gen 6 are demonic beings procreating with daughters of men. These nephilim died out. The rephaim replaced them and they died out. Satan tried to infiltrate the human race with these demonic beings to destroy the line of Christ but they kept dying out. Now that Christ has been born they are no longer around. This is different from satan having sex with Eve.
So using your annoying words:
Look Paul, I don't think you understand the 'fall of mankind' according to Scriptures.
You also again don't understand what Jesus was saying when he said you are of the devil to the Pharisees and some of the people.
You make it sound like Cain was an animal that spoke, thought, reasoned, had emotions, and lived like a man but wasn't. And like I said a long time ago if that was the case then we would still have animals that did that now. OOH-OOh, AH-Ah.
Paul, the fact that Eve is the Mother of all living doesn't prove your point. By the way, the 'become' is not in the Genesis 3:20. It was added. The verse actually says,
ReplyDelete"Adam called the woman, Eve, mother of the living."
Another example of how man has added things to the Bible.
Also, as to your point concerning the B'nai Elohim, the Sons of God, they were the angels that left their original estate, mentioned in Jude and does not support your "Satan lying with Eve and having Cain" theory.
An additional point is that Bible clearly says that Noah was perfect in his generations. That meant the Messianic line passed through him and his sons. Now, it is possible for a separate seed to pass through the wives and they contaminated the lines of two brothers, yes. However, you still can't get past the fact that Genesis 4:1 says, "Adam intimately became acquainted with Eve, the woman, and conceived and together bore Cain, saying, "We got a man from Yahweh."
You can change, twist or misconstrue the scriptures all you want, but you can't get past Genesis 4:1.
I would give you that the line of disobedience past from Eve to Cain then to the rest of mankind, when he left the Garden and co-mingled with them, but not that Satan had relations with Eve. It's just not scriptural.
John 3,
ReplyDelete"But there was a man from among the Pharisees, his name Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews; he came to him by night, and said to him, Rabbi, we know that thou art come a teacher from God, for none can do these signs that thou doest unless God be with him. Jesus answered and said to him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except any one be born anew he cannot see the kingdom of God. ..."
We are all "children of the devil" as away from God. Only as born anew can we belong to the children of God.
Right David. That is what Paul cannot grasp a hold of. He thinks one is automatically born either a son of God or of the Devil. He throws out John 3:16 where it specifically says one has to believe to be born of God. If one is automatically born one way or another then it has nothing to do with believing. The word believe would mean nothing. But it does, it means choice. He can't see what Jesus is saying.
ReplyDeleteDavid and Tim, I totally agree with you. It's amazing how the Bible seems to anticipate every false doctrine. All you have to do is read what's there.
ReplyDeleteTim, you said, “I completely believe the sons of God referred to in Gen 6 are demonic beings procreating with daughters of men. These nephilim died out. The rephaim replaced them and they died out.”
ReplyDeleteThe sons of God are demonic beings ?
Who has told you that ?
And since when are the sons of God demonic beings ?
And what about the sons of the serpent or the sons of men, are they godly beings ?
Not at all Tim, the sons of God are exactly the sons of GOD, they are not the sons of demons, and the sons of God had children by the daughters of men who were the non elect, the line of the serpent.
They produced the Nephilim, those were the mighty men of renown and they are still here among us today.
Keith, I quote from the Bible, Gen. 3:13-14 Then the Lord God said to the women, “What is this you have DONE ?........ The Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have DONE this,”
ReplyDeleteTell me WHAT did the serpent DO with Eve ?
Yes David, that is exactly what Jesus was saying.
ReplyDeleteBut you say, “We are all "children of the devil" as away from God. Only as born anew can we belong to the children of God.”
Children of the devil can NOT become children to God.
For God’s children were IN Christ BEFORE the foundation of the world.
No David, I think you don’t understand the new birth just like Tim and Keith.
Paul, The serpent did exactly what the Bible says. He tempted her and persuaded her to disobey Yahweh. He didn't jump into bed with her and take her virginity. You must be reading far too many Harlequin Novels. Where in the world do you get this stuff? Can't you just read the Bible for what it says, not read into it something that not even there?
ReplyDeletePaul,
ReplyDeleteSo here is what you are saying.
1. Eve looked at Adam and then looked at the serpent and thought the serpent was attractive enough to have sex with him. The serpent, if it was a certain reptile, which actually does have a hemipenis when "needed", looked good to Eve? Eve was attracted to this animal and had sex with him.
2. Adam was not only attracted to the same animal but then had some homosexuality in him as well since the serpent was male.
3. The offspring of Eve and the serpent was Cain. So Cain had to look like an animal since he was in the image of the serpent. His offspring is still around since some of his blood intermingled with other humans and that seed was carried on through at least one of the daughter in-laws of Noah.
4. God allowed satan to produce something in his image through Cain, a beast if you will. Even though the beasts of the field were already created right before he made man. So the serpent got two types of images after him.
5. God allowed this because he already hated half of mankind since he predestined them to be in satan's image.
6. And throughout time God has allowed the seed of satan to enter into his image and destroy our bloodline and cause many of us to become children of the devil.
7. And since many of us our children of the serpent, beasts, some of us are walking, talking, thinking, loving, animals but we don't know it.
8. And this was God's plan.
This is what you are saying. Or at least this is what you are sounding like you are saying. Could you address each point here to let me know if I heard you wrong these last 3 years?
Paul,
ReplyDeleteAbout the Nephilim. No one told me that. I am honestly and openly saying that this is just an opinion.
There is a study of people in the bible known as nephilim and rephaim, and a few more that I don’t remember the names of. But they are all translated into English as giants. The reason why I feel that when Genesis refers to the nephilim as the sons of God is because the same words are used in the same sentence under the same context. Why were they men of renown? Because they were not just men. The sons of God were not mere mortals. Close to what you are saying. They are fallen angels, hence sons of God. Perhaps even to where we get myths and legends of the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, and Norse. But they are not around today. These are not the seeds of the serpent, besides you think they are animals.
Keith, I did asked you, what did the serpent DO ?
ReplyDeleteThe serpent must have DONE something which the Lord forbid Eve to do with the Serpent, and what was that ?
They didn’t DO ‘disobedience’. They may be disobedient, but they didn’t DO disobedience, that would be nonsense.
Well Keith, I can see that the Lord Jesus has blinded your eyes because you deliberately do NOT want to see.
You know, there is none as blind as those who don’t want to see.
And refusing to be blind is not exactly a godly characteristic.
If you want to know, then read the next verse, the Lord explained it to all those who have ears to hear and eyes to see and hearts to understand.
And then tell me, why did the Lord Jesus Christ punished Eve in the childbearing department ?
It’s all there in the next verse, you have to wilfully refuse to know that.
And yes, I wish that you would read the Bible for what it says, and not what those bind guides have been teaching you.
And Tim, WHO said anything about a reptile before the Lord Jesus Christ has cursed the serpent ?
ReplyDeleteYou surely are not a consistent thinker who pays attention to details.
Tell me, how can you know anything of the Scriptures with that kind of thinking ?
And NO Tim, the Nephilim were not referred to as the sons of God in the Bible, they were the sons of the serpent the devil, according to the family tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
ReplyDeleteBecause of the cross-breeding between the sons of God and the sons of the beast (serpent), caused them to have men of renown.
Numbers 13:33 “There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight”
ReplyDeleteNumbers 16:2 the sons of Korah = men of renown.
Paul,
ReplyDeleteI asked you about 8 points and you pretty much skipped over all of them.
Please explain to the world what the serpent is in full description. Because when I read it and God cursed it to crawl on its belly, I tried to find other "beasts" that crawled, not walked...but crawled and reptiles/amphibians are the only type of beasts that I see do that. PLUS NOTICE I SAID "IF" IT WAS A REPTILE. IF IF IF IF IF IF. And you said I don't pay attention to details.
But in any case, that isn't even the issue here. The issue is what did the serpent do and the Bible does not state, neither clearly nor hidden, that the serpent had sex with Eve. It does state very clearly in the same sentence and context that when Adam "knew" her that Cain was born and Eve praised God for him, saying it was from HIM not the serpent.
When you are referring to the family tree, where is that genealogy found? I show you that the word says in Gen 6:4 "The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them; the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.". The second half of the sentence is called a reflective phrase, like a direct object. It describes the first half of the sentence. The Sons of God in THIS case is referring to the Nephilim. There are more than just one group of renown men. In my country people like George Washington and Ben Franklin are men of renown but they are not Nephilim. When you mention Numbers you're talking 2000 years difference. Anyway, I agree with what you said. There were Nephilim after the flood. Satan tried again to taint human blood so the Son of God could not appear. But as God saved His people, that blood line was secured. And as I said there are Rephaim also and Anak is the father f that tribe. All of what you point out still proves my points. So, thank you.
Now could you focus on the 8 step situation I posed to you? Here they are again:
1. Eve looked at Adam and then looked at the serpent and thought the serpent was attractive enough to have sex with him. The serpent, if it was a certain reptile, which actually does have a hemipenis when "needed", looked good to Eve? Eve was attracted to this animal and had sex with him.
2. Adam was not only attracted to the same animal but then had some homosexuality in him as well since the serpent was male.
3. The offspring of Eve and the serpent was Cain. So Cain had to look like an animal since he was in the image of the serpent. His offspring is still around since some of his blood intermingled with other humans and that seed was carried on through at least one of the daughter in-laws of Noah.
4. God allowed satan to produce something in his image through Cain, a beast if you will. Even though the beasts of the field were already created right before he made man. So the serpent got two types of images after him.
5. God allowed this because he already hated half of mankind since he predestined them to be in satan's image.
6. And throughout time God has allowed the seed of satan to enter into his image and destroy our bloodline and cause many of us to become children of the devil.
7. And since many of us our children of the serpent, beasts, some of us are walking, talking, thinking, loving, animals but we don't know it.
8. And this was God's plan.
What verse? Again Paul, what are you talking about? The Bible says nothing about or even suggests that something occurred between Satan and Eve, other than the temptation. Read what is plainly written. I have no problem going into supposition if the Bible leads us that way. Again, don’t read something there that is not.
ReplyDeleteTim and Paul, the scriptures say when the B’nai Elohim came onto the daughters of man. Nephylim arevthe result of this union. B’nai Elohimare sons of God. These are the angels that did not keep their original estate. You can find this in Jude. The Bible clearly states that the nap a little more in the days of Noah and afterwords, pointing to Anak, the Nephylim and the Rephaim
ReplyDeleteDude, rewrite that. That last sentence about a nap is confusing.
ReplyDeleteI think I am saying what you just said...????
Sorry, Siri strikes again. Tim and Paul, the scriptures say when the B’nai Elohim came onto the daughters of man. Nephylim are the result of these unions. B’nai Elohim are are sons of God. These are the angels that did not keep their original estate. You can find this in Jude. The Bible clearly states that this happened in the days of Noah and afterwords, pointing to Anak, the Nephylim and the Rephaim
ReplyDeleteTim, your 8 points are assumptions and wild speculations and are not true, doctrines of men.
ReplyDeleteYou said, ”PLUS NOTICE I SAID "IF" IT WAS A REPTILE. IF IF IF IF IF IF.”
The serpent was NOT a reptile at that time before the fall. After the fall the serpent became a reptile.
And yes, that is the issue, since Eve could not have sexual relations with a reptile, and we are not talking about a lizard.
And yes, it does state what Eve and the serpent did DO.
Genesis 3:13 Then the Lord Jesus Christ said to the woman, “What is this you DONE ? and the Lord Jesus said to the serpent, “Because you have DONE this,” (v.15) “I will put enmity between you (the serpent) and the woman (Eve), And between YOUR children (the serpent's children) and her (Eve’s) children.
Now, all you have to do is believe what the Bible actually says. It’s not rocket science.
And yes, Eve acknowledged the Lord Jesus Christ for giving here a son, but she didn’t acknowledge Adam.
And after Cain murdered the son of Adam Abel, Adam wanted a son who was looking like Adam in his image and he begat Seth.
Gen, 5:3 And when Adam had lived one hundred and thirty years, he became the father of a son IN HIS OWN LIKENESS, according to HIS IMAGE, and named him Seth.
Cain was alive at that time, but Adam did NOT acknowledge Cain to be his son and in his image.
You said, “ when Adam "knew" her that Cain was born and Eve praised God for him, saying it was from HIM not the serpent”.
Absolutely not.
Eve did not say that God fathered Cain, you are making that up.
You said, “When you are referring to the family tree, where is that genealogy found?”
Genesis 4:16 to 5:32 the two lies of the family tree of Adam and Eve.
And remember that Eve is the MOTHER of both lines (Gen.3:20).
Keith, you said, “What verse? Again Paul, what are you talking about? The Bible says nothing about or even suggests that something occurred between Satan and Eve,”
ReplyDeleteI did asked you what did Eve and the serpent DO ?
The serpent must have DONE something which the Lord forbid Eve to do with the Serpent, and what was that ?
They didn’t DO ‘disobedience’.
They may be disobedient, but they didn’t DO disobedience, that would be nonsense.
Paul,
ReplyDeleteI know the 8 steps are wrong and not true. I was trying to think like you!!!!!!!! Didn't you see when I said, "So here is what you are saying."? At least you finally acknowledged you were wrong, because in the past three years you have alluded to ALL of those points I made, otherwise I wouldn't have said any of that.
So, what exactly was the serpent? All you stated was that it was not a lizard.
Apparently the word "done" means sexual relations and not just an act of something. The thing the serpent did was misquote God and tempted His creation. That is what he "did". Eve gave into temptation and disobeyed God's only command at the time. Disobedience is a noun, but disobeying is a verb---an action. That is what she "did". So, it's not who they did, it's what they did. Blind Freddy is smarter than that.
Was Abel in Adam's likeness? How do we know whose son Abel is? After all it only says "Later she gave birth to his brother Abel." It doesn't say she gave birth to Adam's son. Wow....maybe he was the serpents too. After all Adam did not acknowledge it. By the way, Adam never said anything. Eve said it all, "Adam had relations with his wife again; and she gave birth to a son, and named him Seth, for, she said, "God has appointed me another offspring in place of Abel, for Cain killed him."
I never said God fathered Cain. I said she thanked God for Cain. Amazing how she praised God basically being raped by the serpent, after all he tricked her into it, right????
Was Cain's wife of the serpent too?
The seed that is an enmity between the two is Christ and the anti-Christ, real simple to understand that.
I will leave it here until I hear you respond.
Well Tim, I think you are talking a lot of nonsense.
ReplyDeleteYou said, “that Cain was born and Eve praised God for him, saying it was from HIM not the serpent.”
Was Cain from God and not the serpent ? is that what you are saying ?
And after you are saying, “I never said God fathered Cain.”
Then HOW can Cain be from HIM (God) and not from the serpent ?
And Eve did NOT give thanks to God or even praised Him, she only made a statement.
Stating, with the help of the Lord she had gotten a man-child (Gen. 4:1).
Why thank you Paul, that's the nicest thing you have ever said to me. But again you didn't understand. Let me further explain.
ReplyDeleteNo, Cain was not "from" God but just any baby he was from God. You cannot disregard scripture when it in one complete sentence AND context says that Adam had sex with Eve and THEN she bore Can AND THEN she thanked God for it. Look at all of these versions:
New International Version
Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, "With the help of the LORD I have brought forth a man."
New Living Translation
Now Adam had sexual relations with his wife, Eve, and she became pregnant. When she gave birth to Cain, she said, "With the LORD's help, I have produced a man!"
English Standard Version
Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, saying, “I have gotten a man with the help of the LORD.”
New American Standard Bible
Now the man had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain, and she said, "I have gotten a manchild with the help of the LORD."
King James Bible
And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
Christian Standard Bible
The man was intimate with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain. She said, "I have had a male child with the LORD's help."
Contemporary English Version
Adam and Eve had a son. Then Eve said, "I'll name him Cain because I got him with the help of the LORD."
Good News Translation
Then Adam had intercourse with his wife, and she became pregnant. She bore a son and said, "By the LORD's help I have gotten a son." So she named him Cain.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
Adam was intimate with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain. She said, "I have had a male child with the LORD's help."
International Standard Version
Later, Adam had sexual relations with his wife Eve. She became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, "I have given birth to a male child—the LORD."
NET Bible
Now the man had marital relations with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. Then she said, "I have created a man just as the LORD did!"
New Heart English Bible
The man knew Eve his wife. She conceived, and gave birth to Cain, and said, "I have gotten a man with the LORD's help."
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Adam made love to his wife Eve. She became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, "I have gotten the man that the LORD promised."
JPS Tanakh 1917
And the man knew Eve his wife; and she conceived and bore Cain, and said: 'I have gotten a man with the help of the LORD.'
New American Standard 1977
Now the man had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain, and she said, “I have gotten a manchild with the help of the LORD.”
Jubilee Bible 2000
And the man knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain and said, I have gained a man by the LORD.
Here are some more for you
ReplyDeleteNew International Version
Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, "With the help of the LORD I have brought forth a man."
New Living Translation
Now Adam had sexual relations with his wife, Eve, and she became pregnant. When she gave birth to Cain, she said, "With the LORD's help, I have produced a man!"
English Standard Version
Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, saying, “I have gotten a man with the help of the LORD.”
New American Standard Bible
Now the man had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain, and she said, "I have gotten a manchild with the help of the LORD."
King James Bible
And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
Christian Standard Bible
The man was intimate with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain. She said, "I have had a male child with the LORD's help."
Contemporary English Version
Adam and Eve had a son. Then Eve said, "I'll name him Cain because I got him with the help of the LORD."
Good News Translation
Then Adam had intercourse with his wife, and she became pregnant. She bore a son and said, "By the LORD's help I have gotten a son." So she named him Cain.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
Adam was intimate with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain. She said, "I have had a male child with the LORD's help."
International Standard Version
Later, Adam had sexual relations with his wife Eve. She became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, "I have given birth to a male child—the LORD."
NET Bible
Now the man had marital relations with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. Then she said, "I have created a man just as the LORD did!"
New Heart English Bible
The man knew Eve his wife. She conceived, and gave birth to Cain, and said, "I have gotten a man with the LORD's help."
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Adam made love to his wife Eve. She became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, "I have gotten the man that the LORD promised."
JPS Tanakh 1917
And the man knew Eve his wife; and she conceived and bore Cain, and said: 'I have gotten a man with the help of the LORD.'
New American Standard 1977
Now the man had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain, and she said, “I have gotten a manchild with the help of the LORD.”
Jubilee Bible 2000
And the man knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain and said, I have gained a man by the LORD.
King James 2000 Bible
And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bore Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
American King James Version
And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bore Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
American Standard Version
And the man knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man with the help of Jehovah.
Douay-Rheims Bible
And Adam knew Eve his wife: who conceived and brought forth Cain, saying: I have gotten a man through God.
Darby Bible Translation
And Man knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bore Cain, and said, I have acquired a man with Jehovah.
English Revised Version
And the man knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man with the help of the LORD.
Webster's Bible Translation
And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bore Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
World English Bible
The man knew Eve his wife. She conceived, and gave birth to Cain, and said, "I have gotten a man with Yahweh's help."
Young's Literal Translation
And the man knew Eve his wife, and she conceiveth and beareth Cain, and saith, 'I have gotten a man by Jehovah;'
Now at what point did ANY of these say the serpent had sex with Eve and she bore HIS son?
ReplyDeleteAt what point in any of these did Eve not give credit or thank the Lord for what he either HELPED her do or GAVE to her?
Now that does not mean that God had sex with her. It means that with HIS grace she was given a child, just like your wife was given a gift with YOUR children. Are you saying that they are not from God? Are your children from the serpent??? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! Anytime you give credit to the Lord you praised Him. Learn that.
Now if people choose to be of satan then that is when he becomes their father. That is what is meant by what Jesus said to the Pharisees and some in the crowd.
Why would Cain give an offering to God if he was of the devil in the literal sense? The reason why God did not accept his offering is because he only gave a piece of what he had, Abel gave his first and fat portions as well.
ReplyDeleteNow I will say I think Cain BECAME a child of the devil due to his evilness. But who knows if Cain repented or not except in 1 John 3:12 states he was of the devil, but notice it tells us not to be like him. Now how can I not be like him if I am already a child of the devil???? I can't! I have to choose to be like him. Just like I accept Jesus as my savior. Just like for the same reason you tell us to believe...it is a choice!!!!! Otherwise there is no reason to "listen" to you or even the scripture. But, God gave us a choice, acceptance or rejection. Cain and Abel, although being very literal human life, are analogies of how we should live.
If you have ears...then hear!
And Eve did NOT give thanks to God or even praised Him, she only made a statement.
ReplyDeleteStating, with the help of the Lord she had gotten a manchild (Gen. 4:1).
Look Tim, don’t go on with nonsense trying to zero in on something unimportant.
You said, “Now at what point did ANY of these say the serpent had sex with Eve and she bore HIS son?”
At the point in Genesis 3:15 when the Lord said, ‘And I will put enmity between YOU and the woman, And between YOUR children and her children.’
Between the SERPENT’S children and the children of Eve.
You said, “Now if people choose to be of satan then that is when he becomes their father. That is what is meant by what Jesus said to the Pharisees and some in the crowd.”
Look Tim, you can NOT CHOOSE to be of Satan and then he becomes your father.
Just as much as you can NOT choose to be a son of the Queen of England.
You are a son of your father the serpent or a son to Adam which is of God.
I had that conversation a few times with Brenda and it amazes me how ignorant the christian world has become.
OK. Tim, I will not repeat myself a thousand times.
IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR ANY MAN TO CHOOSE HIS FATHER.
Either Satan is your father (through the serpent), or God is your Father (through Adam).
If you are transgressing the above statement, then I will not talk to you anymore.
You said, “Why would Cain give an offering to God if he was of the devil in the literal sense? The reason why God did not accept his offering is because he only gave a piece of what he had, Abel gave his first and fat portions as well.”
Remember Cain’s mother was of the Lord and therefore he gave an offering to the Lord.
Why the Lord did not accept his offering, well, I think because he was born of the evil one and he was a murderer from the beginning, that’s why his sacrifice was rejected.
You said, “Now I will say I think Cain BECAME a child of the devil due to his evilness. But who knows if Cain repented or not except in 1 John 3:12 states he was of the devil, but notice it tells us not to be like him. Now how can I not be like him if I am already a child of the devil???? I can't! I have to choose to be like him. Just like I accept Jesus as my savior.”
Now, Cain did NOT BECAME a child of the devil, Cain WAS a child of the devil from birth (1 John 3:12) and no repentance will make him a son of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Well just think, Cain repents and then he becomes a son of God, and later when he doesn't repent anymore he becomes a son to the devil, and after again he repents and he become a son of God and back again, back and for, that is a lot of nonsense and how can you believe that kind of rubbish.
Also, where in the Bible can you ACCEPT Jesus as your saviour ? Did your church told you that ?
Yes, that’s about right.
But I wish that you would believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and NOT in your god Yahweh who cannot save.
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ReplyDeletePaul,
ReplyDeleteAnd Eve did NOT give thanks to God or even praised Him, she only made a statement. Stating, with the help of the Lord she had gotten a manchild (Gen. 4:1). Look Tim, don’t go on with nonsense trying to zero in on something unimportant.
Wow. The word of God is unimportant? All scripture is important. Any time someone acknowledges God and gives Him credit, that is a form of praise. There is no rebuttal for that.
At the point in Genesis 3:15 when the Lord said, ‘And I will put enmity between YOU and the woman, And between YOUR children and her children.’ Between the SERPENT’S children and the children of Eve.
Again you show that you do not understand what that means. The anti-Christ is a "seed" of satan. Jesus is a "seed" of Eve.
Look Tim, you can NOT CHOOSE to be of Satan and then he becomes your father. Just as much as you can NOT choose to be a son of the Queen of England. You are a son of your father the serpent or a son to Adam which is of God.
Then believing in Jesus means nothing. If I am a child of the devil then it won't matter what I do.
OK. Tim, I will not repeat myself a thousand times.
WHAT? You won't repeat yourself 1000 times? This is the dumbest thing you have ever said. You repeat yourself EVERY TIME. You say the same thing over and over again ALL THE TIME.
Either Satan is your father (through the serpent),or God is your Father (through Adam).
Again, then what does it matter to believe in any thing?
If you are transgressing the above statement, then I will not talk to you anymore.
That's the greatest thing you have ever said.
Remember Cain’s mother was of the Lord and therefore he gave an offering to the Lord. Why the Lord did not accept his offering, well, I think because he was born of the evil one and he was a murderer from the beginning, that’s why his sacrifice was rejected.
If he was from the devil then why sacrifice at all? Now you're just trying to fill in the gaps that you can't with opinion. At least I can respect that. You added "I think" in that sentence and that allows me to not even argue. I don't agree but since you said "think" then I will let it go.
Now, Cain did NOT BECAME a child of the devil, Cain WAS a child of the devil from birth (1 John 3:12) and no repentance will make him a son of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Then why does John say don't be like him? If I have no choice of my rebirth then it won't matter what I do. Why would Jesus tell Nicodemus one MUST be born again and that WHOEVER believes will have everlasting life? What good is it to believe if I am a child of the devil? And do you see how you added "from birth" to 1 John 3:12? That's what you do. You add and subtract all kinds of stuff.
Well just think, Cain repents and then he becomes a son of God, and later when he doesn't repent anymore he becomes a son to the devil, and after again he repents and he become a son of God and back again, back and for, that is a lot of nonsense and how can you believe that kind of rubbish.
You're right. That is rubbish. I never said that. Cain had a sinful nature like all of us...even you Paul. Cain chose to murder Abel. If he repented then his relation could have been healed with God. That is why I believe that once you accept Jesus then your sins are forgiven. Why would Jesus die for sins? If we are of God then we are saved. Jesus did not need to die on the cross. Your whole doctrine is urine.
Also, where in the Bible can you ACCEPT Jesus as your saviour ? Did your church told you that ?
John 13:20, John 17:8, Acts 2:41, Acts 8:14, Romans 11:15, 1 John 5:10
Paul,
ReplyDeleteBut I wish that you would believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and NOT in your god Yahweh who cannot save.
Why do you wish all of that if I have no choice? Why do you preach? If one cannot change their destiny because they are of the devil they are doomed no matter what. If you are of God then you do have an issue with salvation because you can never be evil. That is the kind of crap you are preaching.
Tim, you said, “Again you show that you do not understand what that means. The anti-Christ is a "seed" of satan. Jesus is a "seed" of Eve.”
ReplyDeleteYes I do know what that means.
It means that some of us are DEVILS, like Elymus was a son of the devil (Acts 3:10) and if you would believe the Lord Jesus Christ (John 6:70) etc.
And the Lord Jesus Christ was NOT of the seed of Eve, He is the LORD GOD the Almighty.
Who is teaching you those kind of doctrines, and where does it say that in the Bible ?
You said, “Then believing in Jesus means nothing. If I am a child of the devil then it won't matter what I do.”
Yes that matters a lot whether you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ or not, believe and you shall be saved, believe not and you shall be damned, that is the gospel of salvation.
You said, “Then why does John say don't be like him? If I have no choice of my rebirth then it won't matter what I do. Why would Jesus tell Nicodemus one MUST be born again and that WHOEVER believes will have everlasting life? What good is it to believe if I am a child of the devil?”
No Tim, you DON’T have a choice to be born again, that is because you are DEAD in your sins and trespasses, and dead people don’t have a choice, because they are dead. They are not a little bit alive a and a little bit dead, NO they are dead from the time of Adam’s sin.
And how do you know whether you are a child of the devil ?
“John 13:20, John 17:8, Acts 2:41, Acts 8:14, Romans 11:15, 1 John 5:10”
John 13:20 does NOT say that you can accept the Lord Jesus Christ and neither does John 17:8 say that you can accept the Lord Jesus Christ, and neither does it say in Acts 8:14 and Romans 11:15 and 1 John 5:10.
You said, “Why do you wish all of that if I have no choice? Why do you preach? If one cannot change their destiny because they are of the devil they are doomed no matter what. If you are of God then you do have an issue with salvation because you can never be evil.
Hmmm, so it has finally dawned on you that you can NOT save yourself and neither can you make yourself a son of God by your FREE WILL or your choice.
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; nor are they children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: through Isaac your descendants will be named.
That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants. For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come, and Sarah shall have a son.”
And not only this, but there was Rebekah also, when she had conceived twins by one man, our father Isaac; for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God’s purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls, it was said to her, “The older will serve the younger.” Just as it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
What shall we say then ? There is no justice with God, is there ?
May it never be !
For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.”
Paul,
ReplyDeleteYou miss every important point. I don't know why you do that.
Yes I do know what that means. It means that some of us are DEVILS, like Elymus was a son of the devil (Acts 3:10) and if you would believe the Lord Jesus Christ (John 6:70) etc.
No, you’ve shown you don’t. But no need to keep telling you that.
And the Lord Jesus Christ was NOT of the seed of Eve, He is the LORD GOD the Almighty.
No, no. You said the Eve is the mother of ALL living. Jesus lives. He is of her seed. But that goes with something else dumb you said, such as this:
No Tim, you DON’T have a choice to be born again, that is because you are DEAD in your sins and trespasses, and dead people don’t have a choice, because they are dead. They are not a little bit alive a and a little bit dead, NO they are dead from the time of Adam’s sin.
How can Eve be the mother of Cain and his descendants if they are all dead like me? You keep saying she is the mother of all living, then how can she be the mother of Cain? See, your logic is twisted. It can’t be one thing and be another at the same time. Now, I am sure that you will somehow now try and rationalize what you just said, instead of just saying “oops” or “let me think about that”. No, you will just go on thinking that you have all the answers.
Yes that matters a lot whether you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ or not, believe and you shall be saved, believe not and you shall be damned, that is the gospel of salvation. ,
But if I am dead because I am a devil then how can I be saved? What does it matter if I believe or not? You cannot possibly answer that with any kind of real logic. “Oh, I’m dead and lost since I am a child of the devil, but somehow I can also be a child of God later because He chose me”
And how do you know whether you are a child of the devil ?
I’m not but you keep telling me and Keith that we are.
John 13:20 does NOT say that you can accept the Lord Jesus Christ and neither does John 17:8 say that you can accept the Lord Jesus Christ, and neither does it say in Acts 8:14 and Romans 11:15 and 1 John 5:10
John 13:20 doesn't say anything about accepting Jesus??? "and whoever accepts me accepts the one who sent me.” Even in the other verses I showed you people are accepting the message. Tell me what are these people accepting in those verses? When someone accepts the message of the cross, the WORD of God then they accept Jesus. Jesus is the WORD of God. Real simple.
Hmmm, so it has finally dawned on you that you can NOT save yourself and neither can you make yourself a son of God by your FREE WILL or your choice.
You don’t comprehend conversations very well do you? Do you even know what the word “if” means? That is twice you have done that in the last few posts.
Your last point doesn’t seem to be on the same topic, so ok. Amen, then.
Tim, are you saying that Elymus was NOT a son of the devil ?
ReplyDeleteAnd Judas Iscariot, wasn't he also a son of a devil ?
‘Jesus answered them, “Did I Myself not chose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is a devil.” (John 6:70)
What the Lord Jesus Christ was saying is that some of us are devils, yes DEVILS ! they were of their father the devil, the serpent or Satan John 8:44.
Now, why is that so hard for you to understand that, Tim ?
You said, “How can Eve be the mother of Cain and his descendants if they are all dead like me? You keep saying she is the mother of all living, then how can she be the mother of Cain?”
Simply, because Eve was committing adultery with the serpent and then she got her first son, a devil Cain, well, actually Cain was a mixture of the DNA of Eve and the DNA of the animal the beast of the field the serpent.
That is what is called the fall of man.
Through her adultery Eve opened the door for all mankind to become demon possessed so that every devil has now access to the DNA of Adam’s sons and Eve’s sons, and therefore the sons of the serpent are at enmity with the sons of Adam to this very day.
No, don’t even think that is spiritual !
It is through the DNA the flesh whereby the demonic forces have entered into mankind and not through the spirit, that is because ALL have died in Adam, and therefore are spiritually dead.
And every devil was born from Eve because she became the MOTHER of ALL living.
Now, why did she became the mother of all living ? obviously because she committed adultery with the serpent the ANIMAL the beast and she begat Cain, a murderer.
Well Tim, just look around you and perhaps you can see the devils children, they even look like devils, or do you want me to say “animals” ?
You said, “But if I am dead because I am a devil then how can I be saved? What does it matter if I believe or not? You cannot possibly answer that with any kind of real logic. “Oh, I’m dead and lost since I am a child of the devil, but somehow I can also be a child of God later because He chose me”
Well Tim, if you were a devil, then you would NOT and could NOT be saved and born again, and you wouldn't even know what it is to be born again and neither would you miss it, because you would have nothing to compare it to. Remember, you are dead, and dead people do NOT remember anything and neither do they miss anything.
As to the salvation of the rest of mankind, every man wether a devil or not must believe in the Lord Jesus Christ alone and in no one else, if anyone believes in a god called Yahweh or Jehovah or Allah, they will die in their sins because they have NOT believed in the only ONE whom God has sent.
And NO ! there are no excuses before the Lord Jesus Christ, for thus it is WRITTEN.
Paul, why are you constantly tying to elevate Satan above his actual position and with power? Why are you constantly stating things which are not in the Bible? I know you can read. You know very well that the Bible does not support your position.
ReplyDeleteKeith, why are you constantly calling a god who is NOT written in the Bible to be your god ?
ReplyDeleteAnd about a man by the name of Y’shua who also is NOT written in the Bible ?
And anything else which is NOT written in the Bible ?
I know you can read. You know very well that the Bible does not support your position.
Why do you envy Satan so much?
ReplyDeletePaul,
ReplyDeleteElymas…Evil? Yes. Literal son of the devil from his own seed? NO!!!!!
Judas…Evil? Yes. Literal son of the devil from his own seed? NO!!!!!
What Jesus was saying is a prophecy of what was to become. Judas will have satan enter him and that is the “devil” Jesus was talking about. Why would satan have to enter Judas if he was already his son? Judas was evil due to his own desires and satan new that. Why would Judas try and make reconciliation by throwing back the 30 pieces of silver? A devil would not care.
I have already discussed John 8:44. You are wrong. Case closed. Go back and read.
If the serpent was a beast, was he an animal? Could you describe what this beast was exactly? Because if his seed is still out there then we would be able to see the differences between a full man and a half beast/half man creature.
The fall of man was caused by a disobedience to the word of God. God said DO NOT and we did. That caused a huge gap between us and God. It has nothing to do with our DNA. Through man’s disobedience Romans 5:19, sin entered, not through some perceived adulterous and beastial relationship. Now through one man’s obedience we are saved. Disobedience caused the fall. Plus who gets all the blame anyway? Eve????? NO!!! Adam.
The enmity I already discussed. Go back and read. Anti-Christ------Christ. Never said it was spiritual. In the end the anti-Christ will be the seed of satan in physical appearance.
You said this, “And every devil was born from Eve because she became the MOTHER of ALL living.”
But then you deny Jesus is her seed. You can’t have it both ways. If she was the mother of all living is she the mother of plants too?????
Are you saying that all animals are seeds of satan?
Why does anyone have to be “born again”? If they are of God then there is no reason for any Christ. Now, I confessed. I professed. I was baptized. I take communion. I preach the word. I repented. I worship God. I believe Jesus is my savior. Yet, you call me a devil. You say I have no chance because I am a devil. And then you say I have to believe in the Jesus you preach. If I am a devil and I have no chance, then why do you keep telling me to believe?
If a man is a devil then why must they believe at all?
Tim, you said, “Elymas…Evil? Yes. Literal son of the devil from his own seed? NO!!!!!
ReplyDeleteJudas…Evil? Yes. Literal son of the devil from his own seed? NO!!!!!”
That is a lot of nonsense.
“Of his own seed”.
Jesus said, “Did I Myself not chose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is a devil.” (John 6:70)”
Look Tim, a devil is a devil. He certainly is NOT a son of the living God, he is a son of the serpent the devil, Satan, the beast of the field and whatever name you give him, but he certainly is NOT a son of God.
Do you think that the Lord Jesus didn’t know that ?
Yes ! He did now that and for that reason He has chosen a son of the serpent the devil.
You said, “Why would satan have to enter Judas if he was already his son?”
The same way Jesus Christ has entered us when we became born again, because we were His sons BEFORE the world began.
You said, “If the serpent was a beast, was he an animal? Could you describe what this beast was exactly? Because if his seed is still out there then we would be able to see the differences between a full man and a half beast/half man creature.”
No Tim, you can NOT see the difference because don’t even read the Scriptures properly.
How many time do I have to tell you that the serpent was an animal.
Genesis 3:1 “Now the serpent was more crafty than any BEAST of the field which the Lord God had made, And he said to the woman ……”
You said, “The fall of man was caused by a disobedience to the word of God.”
By a disobedience.
Yes that’s what they all say who never ever read the Bible for the themselfs.
As God would kill his son for disobedience. That is a lot of rubbish, you surely would NOT kill your son because he was disobedient would you ?
You said, “If a man is a devil then why must they believe at all?”
Because the Lord Jesus Christ said so whether you understand it or not
Before I get to my main points, let me address your foolishness.
ReplyDeleteFirst foolish thing...You can see the difference (physically and literally) between a child of God and a "child of the serpent"? You can actually see that? Can you find one for me and show me in today's time so I can see this animal? Because all the animals I see are completely different from human beings. So there has to be some half man half animal out there.
Secondly foolish thing you said... Would God kill his son for disobedience? Uh, then ask would God kill his son for a small lie? Would he kill his son if all we did was steal things? Would he really kill his own son for just ONE act of "adulterous" affair as you say? The answer is YES to ALL of those!!!!! He loves us that much. You just negated the love of God for all His creation. That is the most blasphemous thing I have heard you say. You just asked, you surely would NOT kill your son because he was disobedient would you ? He didn't kill his son for his disobedience. He killed his own son for OUR disobedience.
Third foolish thing you just said...We all must believe whether it matters or not? Why? Why would God care, if I was a child of the serpent, if I believed or not? Both ways are sending me to hell. And all you have is "because he said so".
Now to actually shut you up for the last time with your rhetoric.
John 3:16 breaks everything you say completely apart. Your yeast did not work in this bread.
For God so loved the world that He gave his only son and whoever believes in him shall not perish but have ever lasting life!
1. God loved the world. It doesn't say God only loved part of it. He loved all of it. It was HIS creation. It doesn't say he only loved his part of it. 1 Peter says He died ONCE FOR ALL! Not for just His seed as opposed to someone else's seed. It doesn't say he hated any part of the world. He loved us. That is why He sent His son. It doesn't matter what we have done. All of our sins, from the least to the greatest need forgiven.
2. Gave his only son. You asked would God kill his son for certain actions. It says He gave His son, there were no stipulations with this clause. He gave His son, for all of us! Not just for those who did certain things. Since we all fall short, He died for us.
3. Whoever believes in Him. WHOEVER!!! Not only a few, not only those who were "born" a certain way. He told Nicodemus one has to be born again. All are evil in this world. You and me. All of those around us are evil. Our desires are naturally evil. Romans says ALL fall short of the glory of God.
4. Whoever believes in Him BELIEVES!!!! Life is about choices. God gave us a choice to believe or not. You ask would God kill his son for certain actions, would he kill his son for those who have no choice as you say? Adam and Eve had a choice. They were allowed to eat from ANY tree in the garden...ANY TREE except one! And they CHOSE to do that. But all of our choices have consequences. If we do not believe then we made the wrong choice. This word also means we ACCEPT him!!!! If we do not believe then we do not accept who He is.
5. Shall not perish but have everlasting life. Again, it doesn't say some. ANY who do this SHALL NEVER perish. Again, in Peter He will bring us to life! You claim some of us are dead. NO. All of us are dead! He came to bring us to life and bring us back to God. All of our sins are made clean by him if we believe. There is no difference between any of us, Greek, Jew, male, female. Romans says that God does not show partiality. You claim he does it all the time.
If you even try to rationalize any of this away then you show your fruits. The way you portray God is an angry, murdering, hateful, half-powered, limited, deceitful, and confusing deity. Why would anyone want to believe in the god you describe. The God of the Bible is opposite of almost everything you say.